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Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« on: December 09, 2007, 07:15:25 AM »
Jai Sai Master!
Guru charitra (in the first chapter) says that even if one of the Trimurthis get angry, Guru can easily save us but if Guru gets angry no-one can save us.
In the very next chapter it says that Guru Kripa on us exists eternally, but it's only experienced with concious efforts.

So I just want to understand more on why or if ever does Baba get angry us? Is there any way to know if Baba or MasterJi got angry with us?
Jai Sai Master!

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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2007, 07:33:06 AM »
Dear vasu garu even i had that question, till the question was annhilated. I did start a thread on it and several sai bandhus gave a  wonderful response.

http://www.brchaitanya.org/saimasterforums/index.php?PHPSESSID=d6d10f7e294d0d08f1b80c50b9d9adea&topic=552.0

Please go over the above thread may be partly you will find a discussion. May this might help you to channelize your thoughts and express more. As i am personally interested to know how you analyze/ get answered with this question.

Om sai ram

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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 06:43:58 AM »
Jai Sai Master!
Thanks Swarup garu. I started reading that thread (carefully) -- One page so far. It's great. As MasterJi mentioned in one of the speeches I remember, I think the KEY is to remember Baba all the time in all our wordly  (as the two women carrying waterpots on their heads don't loose sight of their pots while engaged in casual chat on their way).

Rest will be taken care of Him.

A couple of things I think that offend Baba are:
1) Limiting Baba to one place, one religion, one sect even in our gestures. For example, I assume maha rashtra people (Matathas?) somehow know more about Baba than others. I know how stupid my thinking is but that assumption just crosses my mind whenever I speak to them!!!! I think it boils down to Addu goda that Baba refers to (May be I am thinking a little too much here but I hope the purpose of Sai Satsanga is well served in the above point).

2) Not paying attention (Alakshya) during puja especisally Aarti. Any thoughts on this. Does looking at Baba during Aarti increase our Shradda. I don't remember Aarti songs by heart (Except Upasani Baba's song -- That one I sing daily) so I need look into the book while doing it.
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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 09:05:49 AM »
Dear vasu garu,

I totally agree with you Baba is not limited by religion, time or space.
Believe me, even i have this question how to i increase shraddha. For that matter, not just spiritually buteven for academic stuff. Somedays i feel i can easily concentrate, some days its just not happening. and i personaly i cannt explain why my brain is doing that.

Regarding aaratis vasugaru, believe me by hearting is not  big thing, if you keep doing it regularly memorizing will automatically come to you. But the big thing is understanding the meaning of the song and most of the essence of the aarati song is to make ourselves a true offering to God. So please dont stress yourself for by hearting aarati songs. I guess dwarakanath garu will explain more.

Om sai ram 
« Last Edit: December 10, 2007, 09:07:30 AM by Swarup »

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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 09:47:13 AM »
Jai gurudatta!Jai saimaster!

Bi hearting is not a big issue. As told by Swarupbhayya, if u keep doing it regularly, you can memorize it. But my small suggestion is --- read aarati from aaratibook, even though you by heart it. Read it just like u are reading it for the first time. Its looks silly but it helps a lot.


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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 07:31:30 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

I totally agree. No need to by-heart.

Our mind has two main tracks in our waking ours. One is the instinctual, where we do things without a need to think out all the little details. Like speaking, walking, etc. The other track is the methodical one which we use to think out about problems and work out sequences and plan things. The first one comes directly out of our Samskaras, both of this janma and the past ones. The second one comes by training and education in our lives.

When we like some one, really really like them, then our actions towards them dont need the second track. We can "instinctually" be alert, be loving and respectful and be aware. We dont need to remind us that we like them or that we have to like them, in everything we do. But when we dont like them that deeply, but are convinced that we should like them because of some one else telling us so, (like in the case of Baba), thats when our awareness needs to be forced. We need to be vigilant in this case.

The essence of Sadhana, atleast in the initial stages is to make the right attitudes instinctual rather than instructional. Why are you doing puja? Why are you doing aarati? If you know that and do it from heart, that is really "doing it by-heart". Doesnt matter then, whether you remember each line or not. But if you are forcing yourself to do pooja, even though you are logically convinced, if its not sunk in your heart, thats when it is hard to keep Shraddha. Knowing the meaning, and thinking it out till we agree completely with it (which everyone of us will certainly agree with), then aarati becomes "expression from impression (it literally pours out of our hearts)" rather than "expression by compulsion". Then, even if we are forgetting lines here and there, as long as we are keeping the sincerity of our feelings in heart, it is fine. But then, you will try not to read wrong lines, but rather try and read them from a book so that you can be right.

When singing from instinct, the logical part, the second track that is, is temporarily dormant. It doesnt work. It is usual to forget lines in that mode. It is almost a hallmark. Doesnt matter if you by-hearted the whole thing, you can still forget them when you are in that ZONE. Thats why, getting that feeling is important and by-hearting the whole aarati is not. Have a book and read it with heartful devotion and thats all is needed.

I really think that this is the mechanism behind shraddha. Do we really want to do it? How badly? Why are we doing it?
I understood this when I was quite young. I hated going to school (I still do :) ) but I loved reading books and learning. I loved playing cricket. I was so much in love with it, that I could do it without breaks for 14 hours each day for months on end! Not just playing matches, but just keep a ball hung from above and keeping knocking it for hours on end never felt like bore to me. But the moment I sit in my class room, it was just inches away from hell. It was thoroughly boring. Then when I thought it out, I understood. It was neither the mistake of the school nor of the subjects, but the fact was that I didnt want to study it. I didnt understand why I had to go to school and I didnt want to (I still dont want to..). Thats why I felt boredom. This thinking lead me into thinking about shraddha, concentration, determination and everything like that. It all pointed to loving the thing that you want to do, but I didnt like that answer. I was looking for some "magic pill", I guess and I was thinking that I was missing something.

Then I read Edinijam. The first line of the book blew me away. Simply. All that thinking was qualified by Master in that sentence. He wrote that the first step in Sadhana is to know the nature and value of the Goal. And that gave me a whole insight (I didnt read more than the next few lines for one whole year.. i was lost in thinking and making sense of what i read) that connected many dots in my head, from Bhakti to Sadhana to Life to Being good to politics to health to science to socialities to happiness and mukti. It was all connecting.  That was the master stroke. Thats when I decided to think out for myself and see what I really really want to do and why I should do it. I still am doing it, but sometime later, a year or two later, I decided that striving for becoming PERFECT was the only thing worthy of wanting.

Hope my blabbering helps. I wrote it so that it might ring some bells, just like it did for me. It all boils down, IMO, to thinking about what we want and what we should do to get it and why we should do so. Tattwam - Viluva. Tatwam of Baba will help us love Him more than anything else. Viluva will tell us to dedicate our lives to Him. The clearly we know them, the better we can become in His devotion.



Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 12:56:50 PM »
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Jai Sai Master!

I totally agree. No need to by-heart.

Our mind has two main tracks in our waking ours. One is the instinctual, where we do things without a need to think out all the little details. Like speaking, walking, etc. The other track is the methodical one which we use to think out about problems and work out sequences and plan things. The first one comes directly out of our Samskaras, both of this janma and the past ones. The second one comes by training and education in our lives.

When we like some one, really really like them, then our actions towards them dont need the second track. We can "instinctually" be alert, be loving and respectful and be aware. We dont need to remind us that we like them or that we have to like them, in everything we do. But when we dont like them that deeply, but are convinced that we should like them because of some one else telling us so, (like in the case of Baba), thats when our awareness needs to be forced. We need to be vigilant in this case.

The essence of Sadhana, atleast in the initial stages is to make the right attitudes instinctual rather than instructional. Why are you doing puja? Why are you doing aarati? If you know that and do it from heart, that is really "doing it by-heart". Doesnt matter then, whether you remember each line or not. But if you are forcing yourself to do pooja, even though you are logically convinced, if its not sunk in your heart, thats when it is hard to keep Shraddha. Knowing the meaning, and thinking it out till we agree completely with it (which everyone of us will certainly agree with), then aarati becomes "expression from impression (it literally pours out of our hearts)" rather than "expression by compulsion". Then, even if we are forgetting lines here and there, as long as we are keeping the sincerity of our feelings in heart, it is fine. But then, you will try not to read wrong lines, but rather try and read them from a book so that you can be right.

When singing from instinct, the logical part, the second track that is, is temporarily dormant. It doesnt work. It is usual to forget lines in that mode. It is almost a hallmark. Doesnt matter if you by-hearted the whole thing, you can still forget them when you are in that ZONE. Thats why, getting that feeling is important and by-hearting the whole aarati is not. Have a book and read it with heartful devotion and thats all is needed.

I really think that this is the mechanism behind shraddha. Do we really want to do it? How badly? Why are we doing it?
I understood this when I was quite young. I hated going to school (I still do  ) but I loved reading books and learning. I loved playing cricket. I was so much in love with it, that I could do it without breaks for 14 hours each day for months on end! Not just playing matches, but just keep a ball hung from above and keeping knocking it for hours on end never felt like bore to me. But the moment I sit in my class room, it was just inches away from hell. It was thoroughly boring. Then when I thought it out, I understood. It was neither the mistake of the school nor of the subjects, but the fact was that I didnt want to study it. I didnt understand why I had to go to school and I didnt want to (I still dont want to..). Thats why I felt boredom. This thinking lead me into thinking about shraddha, concentration, determination and everything like that. It all pointed to loving the thing that you want to do, but I didnt like that answer. I was looking for some "magic pill", I guess and I was thinking that I was missing something.

Then I read Edinijam. The first line of the book blew me away. Simply. All that thinking was qualified by Master in that sentence. He wrote that the first step in Sadhana is to know the nature and value of the Goal. And that gave me a whole insight (I didnt read more than the next few lines for one whole year.. i was lost in thinking and making sense of what i read) that connected many dots in my head, from Bhakti to Sadhana to Life to Being good to politics to health to science to socialities to happiness and mukti. It was all connecting.  That was the master stroke. Thats when I decided to think out for myself and see what I really really want to do and why I should do it. I still am doing it, but sometime later, a year or two later, I decided that striving for becoming PERFECT was the only thing worthy of wanting.

Hope my blabbering helps. I wrote it so that it might ring some bells, just like it did for me. It all boils down, IMO, to thinking about what we want and what we should do to get it and why we should do so. Tattwam - Viluva. Tatwam of Baba will help us love Him more than anything else. Viluva will tell us to dedicate our lives to Him. The clearly we know them, the better we can become in His devotion.



Jai Sai Master!!
 

Jai Sai Master!

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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2011, 10:04:01 AM »
Dear vasu garu even i had that question, till the question was annhilated. I did start a thread on it and several sai bandhus gave a  wonderful response.

http://www.saimasterforums.org/index.php?topic=552.0

Please go over the above thread may be partly you will find a discussion. May this might help you to channelize your thoughts and express more. As i am personally interested to know how you analyze/ get answered with this question.

Om sai ram

sadguru sai nathudu is not only sad guru but also is our father.father gets angry on his children if they go wrong way but finally he is the one who bring us to the right path.he has so much love for his children.father may get angry but it vanishes with in few seconds
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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 08:09:13 AM »
Omsairam sai bandhus.


                  I got a new doubt from what DWarakanath garu told

"Our mind has two main tracks in our waking ours. One is the instinctual, where we do things without a need to think out all the little details. Like speaking, walking, etc. The other track is the methodical one which we use to think out about problems and work out sequences and plan things. The first one comes directly out of our Samskaras, both of this janma and the past ones. The second one comes by training and education in our lives.

Sir I am so much confused on these points.Babu garu can u please give me more insight on this .So many questions are rising in my mind.
How can a person plan things or work on his problems without relating to his Samskara's.Every one act according to his samskara's right.Even the way he thinks towards a problem depends on the way his samskaram is .One can find the solution depending on his samskaram and some one can find hard the same problem.yes though he can learn or train himself to solve things but he has to act(indirectly think or work out ) according to his samskara's So how can we say that "The second one comes by training and education in our lives" when all are interrelated.


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Re: Why does Guru (Baba) get angry
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2012, 08:36:46 AM »
Jai Sai Master!


Based on Samskaras, as you said, all our thought and action resides. No doubt. But its like saying, 'because of fire, the rice is cooked'. But its not complete. We need a vessel, water, paddy, etc., to form rice. Similarly, its not just samksaras, but our perceptions, situations, training, state of mind at that instant, etc., all contribute to the way we respond to situations.

Considering the example of a powercut, one day we might feel 'frustrated' because of it, another time 'disappointed', another time 'angry', etc. Why do we have so many different reactions to the same situation? Although the samskaras dictate how exactly our frustration and disappointment come, its also a lot of other factors, right?

Similarly, we have the ability to train ourselves to react or respond in a particular way.

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