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Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« on: March 25, 2007, 02:28:51 AM »
"The work is dedicated with the utmost reverence to the Supreme Spirit which has manifested 'me', affording me this glourious chance to glimpse the life divine in this indefinite cosmic drama ;

And to it's manifestations as our family deity, Lord Venkateswara ;

And to the great presiding seers of our lineage, Angirasa, Brihaspathi and Bharadwaja ;

And to my father who gave me life and training in the tradition of rishies of old, and to my mother who ever resides in his bosom as the living spirit ;

And to Sadguru Shri Sai Baba of Shirdi who drew me to Himself, enriched me with a life's goal, graced me with the blessings of several great saints ;

And to Shri Hajarat Tajuddin Baba of Nagapur who inspired me to write this book. "

Dear Sai Bandhus

This is the dedication that our beloved Master has written in his book "Hazrat Tajuddin Baba". It is of atmost importance for us to really look into and understand this paragraph, since this talks about OUR FEELINGS towards all those forces described. It really puts into perspective, the things that are truly responsible for what we are today.

I beg to read this paragraph repeatedly and carefully, and think about how each of them affects us. This paragraph is in the form of "PRAVARA" or "INTRODUCTORY PRAYER" of the Indian tradition, which is recited when someone approaches an elder or Guru. One should introduce oneself by thinking about everything that has kept one there.

These lines are the discussion points for this week. I suggest every one of us should write these on a piece of paper and carry this around and read and think about this when ever we find time in our daily routines. That way, when we get to post on this forum, we have our thoughts ready.

May Baba bless us with a clear understanding of every word that our Master has written!

Jai Sai Master!
Dwarakanath


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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 12:55:15 AM »
Dear Sai Bandhus,

I recorded some of my thoughts that Baba has driven in my mind when I was reading those lines of the Master. I hope its understandable, given my Indian accent and the audio compression. Incase u dont feel comfortable with this, please let me know.

By doing an audio file, I think its more personal, and I feel that i can express more directly, my thoughts about this. I really suggest you also try recording your thoughts, ofcourse,only if you are comfortable with it, that is. I am uploading this. Please download and reply with your thoughts and suggessions for correcting my thought process.


Jai Sai Master!
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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 12:55:37 AM »
jai sai master!
well thanks a lot dwaraka.the audio file you have posted was very informative and it really provoked my peanut brain that there was something to think about the topic.
once again very thanks as your words imparted a lot of significance behind each and every word uttered by master garu from which i can understand that there is lot to comprehend from parayana and mere cursory look does not help at all.
anyways your explaination for the word " being reverent to all the manifestations of the supreme spirit " is really working well in changing my attitude in the mundane life and suddenly everything is looking very beautiful and my mind is getting occupied with peace replacing the disturbance and is enjoying each and every moment.salutations to master ji.
fine, really looking forward for posts from dwaraka and everyone on the
the entire paragraph as the essence behind it is beyond my comprehension at the moment.
well i am just praying ammagaru to give me knowledge of it and hope fully i will come back if i understand some thing.
may MasterGaru bless us all the blissful life .


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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 12:55:54 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dear Sai bandhus,

Here are my thoughts about the second line, as i ponder over it.

"And to its manifestation as our Family Diety, Lord Venkatesa"..

First of all, I would like to know what a "Family Diety" is and why such a diety exists in the Indian tradition. I think i have a little bit of an idea, but im not sure. However, I present my current set of ideas about this here, in hope that someone will correct me if Im wrong.

The interesting thing here is the order in which Masterji addresses the dedication.
First, the whole fabric of the Universe, The Supreme Spirit, the Paramatma, is mentioned and thanked for the opportunity to glimpse the life divine.
Next, the Family diety (Kula Devata) is prayed. This seems to me that the first reason of our existance is the Sankalpa of the Supreme Spirit to manifest as the "me" in me.
Then, consequentially, as per the divine plan, the "me" takes a birth in a particular Family (Kulam ), which owes itself and its lineage to the presiding diety. Kula Devata is a particular aspect of the Universe that takes care of that particular Kula.

Lets take an example to discuss this. The things im writing here are just my assumptions but arent supported by the so called "scientific" experimentation. Im just thinking about what this is and trying to form a logical place for the Family Diety in my head. So, please do correct me if I go wrong in any of the tentative deductions that I make.

Every family is a particular gene pool, and as our tradition says, the Family tree flows through the Male descendents and so, goes along with the "y- chromosome" gene pool. This gene pool practically (if science is right ) should be the back bone of our physical and emotional life. Various immunal benifits against deceases are because of this. This gene pool also dictates part of our "looks" and "behaviour patterns" both of which can be changed by practise (Sadhana). This is a part of the factor that decides how "intelligent and extelligent" we are, how well we can comprehend things and analyze things. This again can be improved, but nonetheless, the genepool plays a part in this.

Every generation in the family invites into itself a new set of genes (owing to the females that are taken in marriage) from a different family. This new set of genes contributes itself to the following generations. All these, and include in them, the physical locations where different generations resided, the climatic and geographic conditions, the communal situations through which this family proceeded generation after generation, and the various evolutionary factors added into this, are all responsible for what we are today.

The force of this Universe that takes care of both the genepool, and the conditions through which it has proceeded to eventually let us BE, together is called a "Family Diety" in my opinion. This Supreme Spirit takes care of Every thing in this universe, from the waving of a grass blade to the formation of stars in the Nebula. And ths happens though various levels of consciousness driving various levels of this intricate Universe. Each level of consciousness is given a classification for our convinience, and sets of those levels are categorized as different Lokas (worlds) in my opinion.

One such level of consciousness lends itself to controlling and maintaining the conditions for a particular genepool to survive and evolve, as per the divine plan, which is the Sankalpa (or will) of the Supreme Spirit.

This same thing is explained in "Purusha Sukta" (in my humble opinion, i could be wrong too), and in Koran and Bible. Koran and Bible says tha God makes the Universe be and then Controls it though his "angels". Hinduism and Tantric Buddhism talk about "dieties" playing the role of controllers of different lokas and their domains, such as "Vayu Deva" (the diety of Air ) and so on.

It is said in Koran that one such "angel" refuses to accept God's will and becomes the "Satan". It is said that this "Satan" is the reason for all the evil in this world. He gives beings a hard time, and even controls hell. And anyone who doesnt do as God's will, is said to have fallen "prey" to Satan and to have "sold" his "soul" to satan, as per Christianity and Islam. Bible also says taht God had two sons, one being Satan and the other being the Son of God, lord Jesus Christ. This exudes profound symbolism for me. Please understand that I dont mean to preach any of these, but Im
just writing my take on these things. i will write the Hindu version of these things and try to explain the symbolism, as it pertains very well to the second and third lines of the "Dedication" that Masterji wrote. And please feel free to contend any of my opinions, and I will be more happy to correct myself if I am made to realize that i was wrong.

Masterji, in the openings of Sri Gurucharitra wrote an analogy. Sometimes, in our bodies, situations occur which endanger our own life. Our very life (Prana) is the reason for such situations in the first place. eg: Since we are living beings and we need to eat and breath, sometimes, when we are eating, situation arises where a food particle accidentally enters the wind pipe. The reason for this is the very life force that is making the act of "eating" and "breathing" happening. but by its very working, sometimes, situations such as this are created where the "life force" itself is challenged. Such situations are then corrected by a different aspect of the lifeforce which, by making our lings exude air quickly and by
bringing cough, knock the food particle out of the windpipe and saving the "life" itself. Masterji analogizes this to the various Rakshasas and various Avatars that arrived to kill them.




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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 12:56:07 AM »
He also talks about one more life force that continuously monitors and keeps the body from falling into such situations, and similes it to the "Dattatreya", and talks about how this force keeps working in the Universe and tries to keep the humanity in righteous ways and prevents them from falling into perennial sin.

In hindu thought, thus, we think of Daivi Sampada or Righteous qualities and Asuri Sampada or Wrongful qualities. We are told that if we dont follow "Datta" (who appears as a Guru), we will be stuck in the wrongful qualities and fall into this cycle of births and deaths full of miseries. Now, i think its obviously equated to the need to follow Jesus Christ or Mohammad the Prophet (as Gurus) and thus being saved from the "Devil" and otherwise, falling in "Hell".

The Life force (as we talked earlier) is itself responsible for both the "food in the windpipe" situation and the force that rectifies such a sitation. and so, it can be called their Father. Similarly, God is called the Father of "Satan" just like he is the Father of Jesus Christ.

Satan plays a particular role as per the Koran. He makes "people" sin. This aspect of Satan is portrayed as "one of the angels, turning against God". This can be equated to the aspect of "Kali" in Sri Gurucharitra and to the aspect of life that is responsible for the "windpipe" situation.

This discussion is relevant to our present topic because it talks of the forces that "mould" individuals and situations and thus "mould" families. Now, if we see the simile, the Family diety (Gaurdian Angel) is this set of forces, and this is how I look at it.

So, for all the reasons that we exist, for all the situations that keep us alive, their controller is called the Family Diety. This rememberance will awake in us, a sense of Security along with a warning. It says that we are protected, but we are vulnerable. We are protected as long as we are "righteous". At the same time, if we arent "righteous", we are prone to fall prey to "Satan" and thus loose ourselves into Hell (selling soul). (or become full of asuri sampada and stay in the enternal birth and death cycles full of misery)

So, in my opinion, Masterji Dedicates the book to the "Family Diety" because the diety is responsible for the very existance of ones' "life divine" as per the divine plan. I will discuss more along these lines as we talk more about the presiding rishis of ones Lineage.

I hope I was clear in writing my ideas and i wish that they are helpful in igniting ur own processes of analysis. By no means, I repeat, that I think I am absolutely right. I sincerely ask each of you to point out any mistakes in this so that I can Correct myself. And kindly ignore any spelling mistakes that I have written, and take in the "spirit" of what I wrote, than the "letter" of it.

I pray to Sai Master, to give me "Viveka" so that I can understand his writings more deeply and thus help others to understand too.

Jai Sai Master!

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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 12:56:20 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dear Sai Bandhus,

So far, this has become kind of a monologue. I would like to ask each of you to contribute with your thoughts on this, and remember that no one is trying to preach here. I have written a long discussion on the first two lines, but held back from writing more, as I want to see more discussion happening. Otherwise, there is no use of a "Weekly discussion Section".
I hope, by Baba's grace, all of you find some time to contribute to this thread. Until then, I dont see a reason in changing the thread topic or add any more. How ever, I will comeback soon with some discussion on "presiding sages of our lineage". Please contribute.

Jai Sai Master!

Thank you,
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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 12:56:48 AM »
Dear Dwarakanathji and sai bandhus

First of all my apologies for not responding soon (actually i dint have my laptop so cdnt reply earlier) and kudos to dwakaranathji for selecting this very paragraph. Why i feel this paragraph is important is 'coz like everything else in "life" ,even in spirituality ( mastergaru's work ) its the most common and seemingly "easiest" of all words that are the most difficult to grasp and have a much higher meaning then can be taken from their "face" value.

This para but for his insistence on a discussion regarding it would have surely escaped my notice ( and it actually did ).

Coming back to the discussion .... i did some dictionary search to understand what the first line means ( i think it sets the tone for the following lines, and hence the most important ).

Reverence means "1 : honor or respect felt or shown : DEFERENCE; especially : profound adoring awed respect
2 : a gesture of respect (as a bow)
3 : the state of being revered
4 : one held in reverence -- used as a title for a clergyman
"
Manifest means "to make evident or certain by showing or displaying".

[meanings taken from merriam-webster dictionary(online)]

Now because the SOURCE (including HIM-mastergaru) of everything is this Supreme Spirit, mastergaru has reverence towards it. He is grateful that the spirit has manifested as him.

However mastergaru calls the life as divine. Now is life divine because it can lead to divinity ? The scriptures talk abt life as an endless cycle of births and deaths. Our very own experiences make us feel happy and sad towards life alternately. Thus by calling life as divine i think mastergaru, has very tactly made it clear that he has realized. Only to a person outside the playing field can the game be "fun". people playing it are bound to be "caught" in the game. Thus mastergaru although appeared as a player was also the audience and thus a much better judge (actually the best). Taking life so sportingly can indicate only that i feel .. (IMHO)

Dwarkanathji, your views on family deity was wonderful. The later half shows that the world is very symmetric. There is good and bad. And the best thing is that both are the creations of the same Supreme Spirit. Its just what attracts us is of any consequence. Anyways this leads to greater discussion topic of everything being "balanced" when we attain moksha, which i eventually think that the group will lead to.

Here are a few qoutes from the audio file that u uploaded. I think that they really moved me.

1. "as masterji noted the ultimate thing that should happen to each and everyone of us is to realize this truth the true nature of things and true nature of things as described by the vedas and as shown or proven by sri shirdi sai is that each and everything is infact the manifestation of parmatma"

2. "..and once we attain the state where we are reverend towards each and everything near us, that life becomes a part of sadhna, rather than sadhna becoming a part of that life"

3. "..devotion becomes the living breath, and that is the culmination point of all our sadhna, parayana etc."

4. "each and everything (around us) is responsible for what we are today" - Karma yoga ?

5. "The oppurtunity that we have been given here , the oppurtunity of reading such holy books, thinking abt them and talking abt them is really something to strive so hard, for, its worth every minute of our lives Think how priviledged we are, how blessed we are to actually get these things without much trying ... This is the true blessing of sri shirdi sai baba that we have got due to our past punyas"
Some of the words in the quotes may differ from the actual file.

QUESTION
Did u mean life is divine since everything is in harmony ?(6:38 minutes in the audio file)

I would also like u to elaborate on the "divine plan"..

I have two suggestions to make.

1. Please use mp3 format as it then becomes easier to carry around ( on mp3 player)
2. I think i speak for everyone in this group when i say that we realize that some of your views are in "your humble opinion" . Thus the sentence where u clarify them are not required. I say this coz it sometimes leads to loss of continuity. However since this forum is for the everybody and some of them who may not know you, i suggest a disclaimer or some such thing.

And please keep on writing, we wont let it become a monologue.

Sai

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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2007, 12:57:02 AM »
Jai Sai Master!


Since no one seems to be taking any initiative, i would like to begin the talk on the next line (although i dont know anything )

And to the great presiding seers of our lineage, Angirasa, Brihaspathi and Bharadwaja

Mastergaru in this line talks abt the presiding seers of "our" lineage. "OUR" could have meant (IMHO) Indians since its "our" lineage. Equally it could have meant the whole of mankind, since a "person"/"phenomenon" like Mastergaru would have felt the bonding with "everybody".

In my knowledge the seers mentioned above are great although for what reason i am not sure. But i have heard of other great seers as well and as such i feel there would have had been a much more compelling reason that Mastergaru mentioned only the above three. May be their "life" holds something which is of real merit and that which every spiritual aspirant shd strive for.

I would like ppl to contribute more and correct if i am wrong in my (so called) approach.

Jai Sai Master


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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2007, 12:57:13 AM »
Dear Sai Bandhus,

Jai Sai Master!

First of all, my apologies for not posting anything on the forum the last couple of weeks. The reason being my hectic schedule. I am hopeful of a respite by Monday, and I pray to Baba to bless me so that I can share my views on this forum on Monday, if not earlier.

Asterias: Jai Sai Master!
Those are awsome questions and great food for thought. I will ponder over them and get back and post as soon as possible.

Jai Sai Master! May Baba bless us all!

Dwarakanath

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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2007, 12:57:33 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Finally I find some time, at 4 AM on tuesday morning. I will write a little bit for 15 mins, my thoughts on the line
"And to the great presiding seers of our lineage, Angirasa, Brihaspathi and Bharadwaja"

These three are the presiding seers of Bharadwajasa Gotra, the Gotra in which Masterji was born. That is one reason why Masterji mentioned their name in the dedication.

According to tradition, each lineage (Gotram in sanskrit) has some Seers(Rishis) presiding over it, guiding each one in that Gotram and guiding the whole Gotram as well as each individual in it.

This concept is a real blur to me, as to what the Seers actually contribute and how they contribute. And why each Gotram has particular set of Seers presiding over it, rather than all of them taking care of Entire humanity, just like different Gods and Godesses.

I will try and find out more about that and post it here.

As far as your questions go, Sai, here is what i think.

Life Divine: Why is life divine? To answer this question, as with any others, we need to understand what its parts mean. So, to come to the right answer, we must first discuss what Life is and what Divine actually means.

Life is, as we experience it, a series of situations, each taking place one after the other due to the various factors that we collectively call "universe". That is what really Life is. Wether we like some situations, or hate others, it depends on how we look at them. Each situation is looked upon by us as a series of experiences, some of which we "capture" and analyze and most of which get lost as "details". For example, what was the experience of our past birthday like? We might remember some incidents, some "scenes" of it, but not all of them. We might not even remember what exactly happened each and every moment within our sensory grasp. We leave out a lot of details, and our mind remembers only certain parts of it. Depending on what we recieve and remember, we form our opinion of it, and think that the situation "was" delightful or otherwise.

If we really think it out, we will understand that it was not the "Situation" that was delightful or otherwise, but it is only our grasp of it! So, life being a series of likes and dislikes has actually nothing to do with Life itself!

We call something divine because of two things.
1. It leads towards Divinity
2. It originates from Divinity

Life as it is ( and not as we see it ) is essentially Divine in both senses mentioned above. It is Divine because the ultimate goal of all life is the attainment of Divinity. Wether it takes one birth or a million births, it has to End there. It is the end of the quest. The factor that decides wether we achieve it in 1 birth or many is "us" and how we react to Situations. If we react to situations in ways which bind us, it takes longer, but if we dont react to them "personally" and react only in ways that arent binding (as Bhagavan tells in Gita), we can attain Divinity in this very life itself. All spiritual lines point out that all it takes is a simple realization of what is. That means, all that needs to happen is to see what really is happening, without filtering and choosing particular stimulii and branding them as happy or sad "situations". For this to happen, a change in outlook and a change in attitude are necessary. We must first have an open outlook, something that is not "conditioned" by our feelings or likes or dislikes. This outlook is brought about by several factors, all of which have "Jignasa" or "desire to know" as their basis.

For us to have an outlook there is needed an attitude change. We must understand that what we think we are seeing is not which that is happening in actualilty. This understanding, when comes naturally (rather than forced upon), brings about that change in outlook. Once the outlook changes, we start to see things in a way that is ever closer to the truth.

Wether we take Jnana Yoga, Karma yoga or Bhakti yoga or any other form of Sadhana, or we try to follow the teachings of Sai, this is what is actually happening. We start to observe Baba's greatness which leaves us in awe and inspiration and love for Him. The combination of these is what is Bhakti. As we start developing this Devotion towards Him, our attitude begins to change, and we start seeing situations as His "Leelas". Life, rather than being a series of happy or sad events, starts to become a Lesson, an explaination. This change in attitude prompts us to try and understand Baba better, and because of our Devotion towards Him, we start to See things differently. This is the change in outlook that I was talking about. Once the attitude changes completely, and a fully open outlook is matured, we see the fullness of Baba, or the fullness of Life itself. This is what is called "Mukti", being free (undistracted) from prani(living things), vasthu (nonliving) and paristhiti (situations). This is what we call "DIVINE".

A guiding force, wether internal or external, is necessary for the whole process to start, and this guiding force is called Guru. Guru Himself is the perfect embodiment of "Divinity. Guru is the entire Universe..(Gurur Vishwam Nachanyosthi). Guru is the force that manifested as creation, gave us a part in it, created situations that we go through till we become One with Him. So, Life itself has a beginning in Guru; in Divinity. So, Life is Divine.

Life, as we see it (as a series of good or bad experiences), is also Divine, since it is this life that gives us a chance to wonder. This series of Good or bad experiences is the reason for any spiritual endeavour. Usually, in Sai's path, its actually the "bad" experiences that drive the Devotee towards him and thus starting the process of attitude change. In some other methods, its the variety of experiences that prompt investigation on the part of the "Seeker", as in Jnana Yoga or Karma yoga.

So, Life is essentially Divine, both as it is, and as we experience it.
That is what I think it means, when Master writes the words "Life Divine".

Hope that answers your question. Feel free to contradict.
More coming later.

Jai Sai Master!

Dwarakanath.




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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2007, 12:58:59 AM »
I would like to add what our Master has said on Gotras:

1. Each and every person in this creation has a seer as the ancestor / gotra.
2. Our master used a simile between the network of threads in a cloth to that of society, people and gotras.

I do not remember the exact words now. But the meaning goes something like in the above lines. Infact our puranas also say the same thing. Please correct me / post the actual words if any of you know about them.

Then the question comes as to why others like for example those in western countries do not identify themselves with a Gotra? We can find an answer for this in the discourses of Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi Swamiji of Kanchi Peetham. Basically it was just one dharma existed everywhere which can be proved from the archelogical evidences found in many places. Later things changed and people lost in touch with most of these basic things for various reasons and different cultures evolved as a result. We can see this in India too. Moreover one can find in Sringeri's current seer's Q&As that it seems to be a divine plan to create different cultures / religions so that each individual gets a chance to experience his unique karma and to learn to progress on the path.

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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2007, 12:59:14 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Here is some more information I collected on Gotras.

1. Rishis used to teach and guide people. They used to laydown principles according to which their disciples followed. The students of each set of rishis would take him as their Gotra Rishi. Also, if any Rishi is born in one of the lineages, He would also be taken as a Gotra Rishi.
2. Gotras can also be tracked down geographically, as to the location of the Rishis. For example, Rishis of Andhra area, Like Brihaspati and Angirasa are found as Gothra rishis mostly in South India.
3. Since these families follow the teachings of those Gotra Rishis, they are conscidered to be watched over by those Rishis. So, it is necessary to mention with reverence, ones Gotra Rishis, by whose teachings the family has sustained and spiritually blessed.
4. Since All the devotees are considered children of the same Guru, the exact relation ships, hundreds of generations down the line, cannot be presicely calculated. So, there is a high chance that two people of the same Gothra being related as cousins or siblings. Thats why marriage inside the same Gothra is not allowed.
5. One more reason for not allowing Sagothra marriages is for a wholistic view that All rishis are in essense same and every tradition has to seep into others for all rounded developement. So, as a rule, marrying outside Gothra grants three advantages.
a) One is that the next generation arising from such marriage will have lesser genetic disorders because of more chance of permutations and combinations.
b) Avoiding Sibling marriages.
c) And most importantly, growing healthy relationships between different sets of people, increasing mutual understanding and respect. This same thing can be found in Sikh traditions, that one shouldnt marry within a village, but two people from two different villages should be married, so that it ensures good relations and eventually, more friendlyness on a social level.

My take on the last few lines will come tomorrow.

Dear Sai Bandhus, this week, there will be a change in topic in weekly discussion. Please check back on Thursday.

This online discussion has made me think of things that I might otherwise overlook. I thank the Lord for providing me this online satsang. And I would like to thank all of you who read this and thought about this. And my thanks especially goes to those who replied.

Jai Sai Master!
Dwarakanath.




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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2007, 12:59:30 AM »
om sai ram,
sai ram baba i want some more information about how to operate this web
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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2007, 12:59:57 AM »
allah is seeing each and every work done by us i think sir u r doing an "niswardha seva" which is the main weapon of "shidi sai" i think u r doing same as the master sir i do not that much as u but i know one thing "duty performed with faith,devotion&knowledge(gnanam)is very effective" it is also said by sai as "thrikarana shuudhi" or "shraddha" so i live in jublii hills i regularly come to malkagigiri to masters house so i think i will meet u




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Re: Week 1 -- Master Dedication of the Book Hazrat Tajuddin Baba
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2007, 10:06:38 AM »
dear sai master devotees and dear dwarak anna,

i am a new member wishing to spread master's word.

The introduction master ji has given in his book follows a unique pattern. It flows from Supreme spirit to the family deities to the Lineage to the parents to the guru and finally Hazrat Tajuddin baba (of whom the book is about) therefore reinforcing the ideals of Indian tradition: "infinite gratitude to all who have made you what you are". This can be observed in other books of Masterji as well.

It is a perfect way to start a parayana session therefore strengthening the mind and focusing on the final objective.

jai sai master

Rahul
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