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Sravanamu, Mananamu, Nidhi Dhyasa
« on: April 03, 2012, 02:21:57 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

Its been ages since we had any 'weekly' discussions ! So I thought of starting this discussion here.

I refer to Page 3 of Edi Nijam



I know that most of us have read this interesting paragraph, where Mastergaru talks about sadhana! From where this comes and how it is relevant to the whole book (Edi Nijam) is yet another topic for discussion.

What I liked here is how Mastergaru compares the first and the second point to 'Sravanamu' and 'Mananamu - Nidhya Dhyasa' respectively!

On the face of it, the first three points that Mastergaru mentions seem obvious. For example, knowing the value and nature of the goal, will keep you motivated (atleast you know what you want to get !). Based on the goal, one needs to 'discipline' the mind. And the mind is then supposed to take care of indriyas and body! (again a great topic to discuss!). Finally, you would want to cut down on your weakness and increase your positives !

So far so good. But from there, Mastergaru equates the first of this point to sravanamu = 'Listening/Studying' (use the appropriate word) of Bhagwatamu. So Mastergaru implies that when we read a book like Sai Leelamruthamu (which is Sravanamu), we should be able to realize the value and nature of .. Baba ? Goal of Life? Nature of God ? Nature of creation?

And, is our studying of Leelamruthamu in the similar way ?

The second and the third points are related to Mananamu and Nidhidhyasa = THinking on what we have 'read' in Bhagwathamu. Now if we think of Mananamu and Nidhidhyasa, its very difficult to comprehend that its supposed to first train our mind, then the indriyas and body. And also that it should decrease our weaknesses and strenghthen our positives !!!!

Are we able to follow Leelamruthamu in the same way ?? This mananamu and nidhidhyasa, seem to be completely missing in my/our 'sadhana'.

Wotsay ?

Jai Sai Master !

ps: I hope what I said makes sense.


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Re: Sravanamu, Mananamu, Nidhi Dhyasa
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 07:57:27 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

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From where this comes and how it is relevant to the whole book (Edi Nijam) is yet another topic for discussion.

Thanks for starting this thread. I thoroughly watch this thread. 

Jai Sai Master!
« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 11:28:18 PM by saimaster_eb »
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Re: Sravanamu, Mananamu, Nidhi Dhyasa
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 08:56:02 PM »
Hi

 
 
 getting that level of sadhana, is very difficult and it could be only possible with the blessings of Guru.
Let us pray our Guru to bless us in our sadhana.
I here by summitted my opinion in the open discussion.
I appreciate if you could correctme, If I went wrong in my expression.
Thanks and reagards
Chundi

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Re: Sravanamu, Mananamu, Nidhi Dhyasa
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 11:24:27 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear Chundi garu

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getting that level of sadhana, is very difficult and it could be only possible with the blessings of Guru.
Let us pray our Guru to bless us in our sadhana.

I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "getting that level of sadhana" ? Can you be elaborate what you are referring to ?

Secondly, who is "our Guru" ?

Jai Sai Master !
« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 11:27:29 PM by asterias »

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 09:12:27 PM »
Hi Sir,
level of sadhana-  to the extent we follow the Sravanam, mananam and Nidhidhyasa, is what i was referring to the level of sadhana.
Sir Sai master is the example of practicing and achieving this for 100%.   Who is the person who can follow the sayings of baba and practice them and become a guide for the seekers of spirituality. perfect Acharya.
of course, he is the Guru.
S mahathma su durlabha.
Normally persons like me would be trying to practice Saravana, manana and Nidhi dhyasa. Sometimes will be more involved and feel happy and feel every thing is happening beacause of grace of baba, and immediately forget this and get involved in the "Samsara"/ Maya.
The level of sadhana I was referring to was - to what extent we are managing ourselves in bwtween these two stages of realising that every thing happens decause of baba's grace and again forgetting this.


For me Guru means - Sai baba.  I refer to him as Guru.

I really appreciate your initiative to start such an important issue in this and making us to think about it . this gave me a chance to re think and re practice the sayings of Sri Sai master and baba.

If I am wrong in my perception, I welcome your suggestions cardially.
Thank you very much.
Regards
Chundi

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Re: Sravanamu, Mananamu, Nidhi Dhyasa
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 11:40:39 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear Chundi garu,

I really dont have any doubts that Mastergaru is the perfect Acharya !

What I was trying to discuss was this. When do we sravanam, which most of us think is "reading/studying", are we able to know the nature and value of our goal ? Consider reading a book like Sree Sai Leelamruthamu. When reading it, are we understanding the nature and value of the goal to be achieved ? Similarly with mananamu and nidhidhyasa !

I am talking from our level. I am trying to understand the attitude that we should have during such a study and the implications that it has. I was/am missing this in my daily Parayana and I wanted to rectify it in this light.

Jai Sai Master !

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 04:48:02 PM »
Hi Sir,
I am in full agreement with you.
As mentioned by Sai master, the reading of Saileelamrutham will become a routine process and will be done mechanically.
Acharya had told how to come out of that routine. That is by doing Sravanam, mananam and nidhi dhyasa.
After reading this thread, I am feeling energetic towards doing my regular  parayana of Saileelamrutham and Gurucharithra.
I really thank you very much for starting such discussion which is very helpful to Sai devitees.
Please keep on posting such threads.

Regards
Chundi

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Re: Sravanamu, Mananamu, Nidhi Dhyasa
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 12:35:02 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

First of all welcome to the forums chundi garu.

I am totally agreeing with you that master mentioned how to come out of that routine, while doing parayanas....thats not the point i think. He is asking....how can we know the nature and value of the goal, by reading/listening  leelaamuthamu?

leelaamrutam  chadavadam dwaaraa manam mana gamyamu yokka tattwamu viluva telusukonagalamaa?alaagae

leelaamrutamu manana, nidhi dhyasalavalla manalo vunna avarodhaalu, anukulaalu telusukoni avarodhaalanu tolaginchukoni, anukulaalanu penchukonagalamaa? alaakakuntae how we supposed to read leelamrutam in order to know the nature and value of the goal.

that is what he is asking.
 
Jai Sai Master!
"The life of Saibaba is as wide and as deep as the infinite ocean;all can dive deep into it and take out precious gems of knowledge and devotion and cherish them to transform their lives." --- Sri Sai Satcharitra

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 07:31:46 PM »
Hi sir,
When we understand / know that our parayana is mechanical, then we need stop for a while, think of our experiences, then start reading the book. Involve and feel that leelas are happening in front of us. then we can feel the presence of Baba till we are doing parayana.
This is the stage where you are involoved in the parayana. then we can see the life as gift by baba, we can be a spectator of what is happening in our life. Because we understand that every thing in life happens out of grace of BABA.
This is nothing but " Sadguruvu ku paggalappaginchaka chintaku thavu ledu."
"Sarvamu eeswaramayamu ani gurthinchevadu e paristhilonaina anandisthadu"

I may not be using big words like goal of lie or achiveing the goal of life, as I am not so matured.
With my above ideas, i could feel relaxed and I will not tensed in my life. and I will be happy.

In such a stage, we are reformed and our approach to life changes. We can come out of our weaknesses and become stronger.....we can better achive our goal in life. (what ever be the Goal may be.)
Probably in my flow of experessing my ideas, if I am deviating from the discussion, please forgive me.
if there is any other way to understnad the concept , please correct / suggest me.
Regards
chundi

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 11:45:32 AM »
In this connection  I would like to tell one thing.when only the meanings of para graph is tried  to understand - of course  I am neither criticizing nor sarcastic ,but - only reveals  a part  of truth . being human beings  we always try to view the things in our aspect -called dristi kona.one should remember the words reveal the eternal truth.They are released  where mind and heart never try to understand ie mano buddhi ateetham. yato vacha nivartante aprapya manasasaha.but trying to understand them is always appreciable .