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Sairamalakshmi

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Does Baba Tests us?
« on: August 14, 2007, 04:03:02 AM »
Om Samartha Sadguru Sainathaya Namaha

Namaskaram Dwarakanath Garu and sai bandhus

Recently by Baba's and Master Gari's blessings, we have started Satsangam and Bhajana. One of our Satsang member (who is my friend) had raised this question:
 
     Our discussion had gone in this way:  My friend had thyroid as well as some other health problems. When she consulted the doctor, he asked her whether she is planning to have kids right now. She said not for a while. Then the doctor was like, if u plan now, even the child will born with some health problems. 

           Now she is really scared for the same. Then i said her, why are you worrying ? We are doing Paaraayana, Satsangam and Bhajana. Baba will take care of us.  I asked her, why are you worrying?Won't you believe in Baba?

     The answer she gave is: Nenu Baba ni chaalaa nammuthaanu. Andhukey bayapadthunnaannu. Baba, aayanani nammina vaalani baaga pareekshisthaadu.

I didn't know how to convince her. Dwarakanath Garu, please clear our minds. How shall i convince her?

Master Garu Sharanam
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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2007, 08:26:31 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

I am in no position to understand the gravity of the problem, so forgive me if i speak something wrong. I seriously dint know what to type, but while doing Parayana of Sai Baba The Master, I came across the following lines which struck me ..

From Page 203 and 204:

"Note, for instance, how practically he (Baba) demonstrated the inviolability of God's decree and how a devotee had to derive courage from a firm faith in it."

"His devotees looked upon him as their Guru-God and it involved a test of their faith while strengthening it."

Jai Sai Master !

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2007, 10:58:22 AM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, SaiRamaLaxmi garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

Same goes for me as our dear Asterias has said. I don't have any rights to guess on a problem faced by a Sai Bandhu but here is what I can say.

I do not know for sure whether Sai tests us. But my guess is HE does not. Why does HE have to? As it is, we have made so many actions resulting in our karma (bad and good) and we are going through it endlessly with sadness in our hearts never ending. Sai comes in to save us from all these actions that we perform. Sai is LOVE personfied, as Sri Master says, if we take 1 step towards SAI, HE takes 10 steps towards us. So, I feel that Sai does not test us.

But when we do Satsangam and Parayana, definitely, we will develop more strength to go through the pain which resulted by an action that might have performed. And when it is unbearable, then divine intervention will definitely take place in the form of Sri Sainath. Sri Master has said, Sainath will adjust where it is necessary that we don't take the pain and with it, more karma in the form of our thoughts.

I pray to Sri Sai Baba and Sri Sai Master that your friend's problem will be solved.

Jai Sai Master!

Ananth
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Jai Swamy Sai!

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2007, 12:18:16 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Im sorry about your Satsang member's condition. Tell her that Baba is not a tyrant. Baba tests his disciples for sure, but just to prove to them their own ability and their need to work harder. He doesnt put people through hard times. He gives us what is better for us. Tell you friend that while Baba is there, all that happens is for our own good. Tell her to follow the prescription and just take wise decissions and not to get scared. I know how hard it is. Just tell her to keep reading Master's books, especially Sai Sannidhi. Tell her that things are fine. Tell her to just take the decission that seems correct to her and thats all is needed. there is no need to worry when Baba is there.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2007, 01:10:15 PM »
Master garu mentions in Nachne's chapter, I think in Sai Sannidhi that "The situation which otherwise should have worsened even more will go away with that much with Baba's grace." & "Like how Baba is eternal truth and so is His grace". "Inkenthagaano pramaadimchavalasina paristhithi anthatitho pothundi" & "Baba entha nithya sathyamo aayana krupa kooda antha nithya sathyam". .
You may want to give xerox copies of those pages to her.

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2007, 07:12:59 PM »
We may interpret something as Baba testing us. But that is nothing but making us to realize that we are not depending on him as we claim. So Baba teaches us lessons, we think it is a test.

Shri Satchidananda Sadguru Sainatha Maharajki Jai

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 05:57:44 AM »
Om Samartha Sadguru Sainathaya Namaha

Namaskaram Dwarakanath Garu and Sai bandhus

Thank you for your explanations. ggoli garu, can you please explain to me your point once again.

We may interpret something as Baba testing us. But that is nothing but making us to realize that we are not depending on him as we claim. So Baba teaches us lessons, we think it is a test.

Thank you.

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2007, 07:07:36 AM »
sairamalaxmi garu,

What I mean is if we have problem Baba will resolve it if we have total faith and totally depend on him. Is it possible for us? It comes over a period of time. For example we may say we believe on Baba but at the same time we follow Upavasamu, we depend on Astrology/Vaasthu etc even though Baba has said we need not do believe in those things (That was my understanding some may not agree with me)

In fact if we start making an attempt totally believe in Baba, what ever the outcome we will not worry much because we realize it is Baba's wish for our good. But it takes time for us to get into that stage. In the meanwhile we should recognize this and start thinking about this.

Gowri Goli

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2007, 08:44:45 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

I agree with Gowri garu.

In Pravachanalu also Mastergaru says that either we look at all events as 'Sadguru krupa' or as 'Karma'. In either way, we dont have to worry much :)

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2007, 06:53:04 PM »
Om Samartha Sadguru Sainathaya Namaha

Dear sai bandhu Gowri garu, thank you for explaining me. Now it is clear to me.

Asterias garu,thank you for reminding Master Gari words.

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2007, 05:53:26 PM »
OM SAIRAM

BABA really tests us, instead of testing.... I can say "baba tana bhakthulaku tagina shikshana nu istadekani enadu shiksha vidhinchadu".

with the shikshana, we get rid of our bad karma, then we feel his divine blessings upon us. baba wants to tell us he is with us, whenever we are in difficulties, some times we feel, we can not overcome the difficulties, we find no way to come out... but still, there will be baba, who finally takes us out of the difficulties, he can directly save us, but he never... because, he wants to kindle our heart with love and divinity. from that love and divinity others also can be benifitised.

If we leave baba's path, he lets us go... but, finally he drags us in to his path... as baba said, na vadini ennatiki na nundi dooram kanivvanu.

If we follow one of the nava vidha bhakthis, we can experience/realize his presence, that is "sakhyathva"


OM SAIRAM

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2007, 08:51:47 PM »
om sai ram

sainath maharaj ki jai


    saibandhuvulaku  jai sai master.i was also confused on this point but with baba s grace i got the perfect answer this question.

i try to say what i underatood in point wise.

1)   the main question is does baba test any 1?

              Yes baba do test every one. but based upon the eligibility (arhata).i will give an example  which i read in a book.
do u give ur car to u r child to drive?no never  bcos he s small and do not have the eligibility(arhata) in the same way baba do not test each and every 1 .it depends on the arhata whether u to b tested or not.

one thing is clear when u r tested  it is for sure of u to pass or fail.this totally depends on ur faith in sai and patience. if 1 is tested it is only that by doing so  sai is incresing the faith of you and malikng u rock solid.it is again totally on the hands of sai itself,our duty is only to follow his teachings and face the problem.

we can see  many examples in the "GURUCHARITRA" .

1   nrushimha sarawati swamy testing the "savitri" and  indirectly making her realize of what her duty and when she was passed in the test kept by sriguru he again blessed her with his husband.
2  narahari  problem
3  parvathesudu----------excellent one ,if followed great.


om sai ram in this question i got all the answers ,as i have no time i am not clear .

allah ki seva hai bhai

jai sai baba   

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2007, 11:52:26 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

I heard this leela from some one. Once some devotee told Mastergaru, "Mastergaru it seems that Baba is really testing you." (This was because the situations that Mastergaru was going through wd have scared any of us ). Mastergaru laughed at him and said, "As if Baba doesnt know us." (MEaning BAba is well aware of our limitations, and he need not test them)

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2007, 02:45:10 AM »
Mastergaru laughed at him and said, "As if Baba doesnt know us." (MEaning BAba is well aware of our limitations, and he need not test them)
Might not mean "limitations".. may be "excellence"? Master is limitless!!

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Re: Does Baba Tests us?
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2007, 08:43:21 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear Babugaru, I somehow interpreted it as Mastergaru meaning it for lay men (?) like us.

Jai Sai Master !