Author Topic: 'Ore nuvvu raajuvi janminchi rajyamelutaavu ra!-Doubt in Sri Guru Charitra  (Read 1323 times)

BSudhakar

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Jai Sai Master!
In Chapter 9,Sri Paada Swamy was pleased with the devotion of  a washerman and utters so.
This happens even before the washerman sees a Prince who was playing in water with  a great granduer.
After this the washerman goes to Swamy and says that the Prince's grandeur is causing surprise and happiness to him.Then Swamy confirms from him that he is interested in Raja Bhoga and gives him an option either to have it in the same birth or the next birth.
Then the washerman opts for Raja Bhoga in next birth.
The Swamy predicted  this incident ,even before it took place.
He has given the washerman an option-but he also knew that the washerman will go for the Raja Bhoga in next birth that is why he utters the subject line.
My doubt is choice of washerman is not really a choice because it is predestined that he will be born as a Yavana king.
In a broader sense- is there no free will?
Sri Ramana was very categorical in saying that 'to follow or not to follow' is the only choice given to Jiva.
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>>My doubt is choice of washerman is not really a choice because it is predestined
>> is there no free will

  Let's say my favourite fruit is mango and I like it sooooooo much.
  And let's say I am presented with 10 mangoes.
  It is predetermined that I will be "tempted" to eat all mangoes.
  I am left to use my freewill to decide to eat only 1 mango or 10.

   Freewill is given to me to decide what to do at present.
   But this "will" is coloured with my past samskaras. ( of getting tempted to eat as many mangoes as I can).
   So my "past" influences my "present" decisions.
   I either can strongly "will" to overcome that "influence" and eat only 1 or succumb to the temptation and eat all 10 mangoes.
   If will is strong, freewill will win. Otherwise past influence will win.

   Present = f ( Will, Past)

  The result of my choice made is predetermined.
    Choose 1 mango: happiness
    Choose 10 mangoes: A stomach ache and then a visit hospital is destined to happen.

   This is my basic idea of freewill/fate. Please correct if it is wrong.
 
    I have to include influence of God and circumstances separately.
       Present = f (Will, past, God, Circumstances created by God)... not sure of this.

 
Jai Sai ram.




« Last Edit: August 16, 2010, 11:08:22 PM by mmsurya »

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just for better understanding, what would be the spiritual/materialistic/or working definition of "freewill", "will" "Circumstances" and  "I have no choice"?? How do they all compare and contrast??

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Jai Sai Master,

Some discussion already happened on this subject.
You can search for "free will".
Some posts that I can get are as given below

http://www.saimasterforums.org/index.php?topic=661.0
http://www.saimasterforums.org/index.php?topic=606.0
http://www.saimasterforums.org/index.php?topic=214.0

There are some more, one should patiently search

Jai Sai Master
గురుబోధయొక్క సారం గ్రహించి దాని ప్రకారం మన యోచనను, పనులను సంస్కరించుకొన్నపుడే మనం నిజంగా గురువును ఆశ్రయించినట్లు. అలాగాకుంటే అది మిథ్యాభక్తే.
Whatever we practice,becomes the swabhAvA.If control is practiced persistently that will become the swabhAvA.

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Jai Sai Master!
In Chapter 9,Sri Paada Swamy was pleased with the devotion of  a washerman and utters so.
This happens even before the washerman sees a Prince who was playing in water with  a great granduer.
After this the washerman goes to Swamy and says that the Prince's grandeur is causing surprise and happiness to him.Then Swamy confirms from him that he is interested in Raja Bhoga and gives him an option either to have it in the same birth or the next birth.
Then the washerman opts for Raja Bhoga in next birth.
The Swamy predicted  this incident ,even before it took place.
He has given the washerman an option-but he also knew that the washerman will go for the Raja Bhoga in next birth that is why he utters the subject line.
My doubt is choice of washerman is not really a choice because it is predestined that he will be born as a Yavana king.
In a broader sense- is there no free will?
Sri Ramana was very categorical in saying that 'to follow or not to follow' is the only choice given to Jiva.
Jai Sai Master !!


Jaisaimaster!

A frog who lives in a well swims on his will upto one point....but he can not go beyond, at one point, but he thinks that he can go where ever he want. In the same manner we have freewill upto certain extent.
So both are correct. We can say that we have freewill, and freewill doent exist for us. ???

for more clarity.......

http://www.saimasterforums.org/index.php?topic=49.msg4336#msg4336

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« Last Edit: August 23, 2010, 06:06:20 AM by saimaster_eb »
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