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Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« on: February 28, 2011, 05:43:36 AM »
                                          
Sri Satchidananda Sadguru Sainath Maharajki Jai.
                Sri Satchidananda Sadguru Sri Alivelu Mangamma Sametha Sri Bharadwaja Maharajki Jai.

Jai Sai Master.

Dear Sai Bandhus,

Let us start the combined study of the Book "Vignana Veechikalu" written by Sri Master garu from today onwards.

Please come forward and share your thoughts, ideas and  suggestions.

For the Readers convenience who do not have Book, Book is available for reading here ...

http://www.saibharadwaja.org/books/readbook.aspx?book=3

Let us spend more time in the introduction section so that we will have more clarity for the rest of the chapters.

Most of us have completed Paarayana of 'Sri Sai Leelamrutam' and most of us will be continuing Paarayana for the rest of our lives. We realize the value of reading 'Sri Sai Leelamrutam' from the first 16 pages itself. Master garu has given the entire essence of the Book here under two introduction sections:

1. Sri Saini enduku, ela Sevinchali?
2. Guru Stuti

The moment we complete the introduction, we are clear in our minds about the rest of the Book.

Similarly we can see Master garu explains the reason for the evolution of the Book "Vignana Veechikalu" in the introduction "Why this Book".

Very first page explains about five categories of People we see in our Society:

1. Theists who believe in God blindly and follow the traditions of Religions without any proper thinking and without searching for the Truth.

2. Atheists who believe, belief in God is the reason for all wrong doings.

3. Few who lead life like a Frog in the well without goals in the life.

4. People who search for Truth.

5. Vanchakulu. People who do not have clarity in either Theism or Atheism. They appear as if they are following one of the first two and says "all this is not needed and it is enough if we keep doing our duty" when they can not answer to the questions raised by others.

Master garu says "Explorer of Truth is the only one who is in the right path" (Our loose translation). అన్వేషకుడు మాత్రమే నిజమైన మనోవికాసాన్ని పొందుతున్న మానవుడు.

Jai Sai Master.  
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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2011, 08:17:41 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear Uttam garu,

Count me in. Should we have 1 chapter a week or a few weeks first just for the intro. Or should we allocate each day for 1 or 2 pages and hence around 10 pages for the entire week ?

Lets all formulate some kind of plan.

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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2011, 10:29:21 PM »
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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 12:24:22 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Let me join in. Thanks for the great opportunity. Thanks for the nice beginning.







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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 03:13:13 AM »
Jai Sai Master.

Shall we read one chapter in a week and discuss during the next three weeks. Every participant shares what they understood from the Paarayana and asks their questions. Every other Participant will have an opportunity to explain to those questions. This can continue for 3 weeks depending on the number of Participants and the questions. Based on this, we can plan to move forward. Maximum time we can allot is 4 weeks for one Chapter i.e. one week for reading and contemplating by our selves and three weeks for getting clarifications and helping others by sharing what we learnt.

What do you all think?

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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 10:57:56 PM »
Jai SaiMaster

Fine with me.

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గురుబోధయొక్క సారం గ్రహించి దాని ప్రకారం మన యోచనను, పనులను సంస్కరించుకొన్నపుడే మనం నిజంగా గురువును ఆశ్రయించినట్లు. అలాగాకుంటే అది మిథ్యాభక్తే.
Whatever we practice,becomes the swabhAvA.If control is practiced persistently that will become the swabhAvA.

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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2011, 10:59:24 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Uttam-pallavi,

That seems perfect. one month per chapter is apt time to dwell on this material, at the least.

Lalithagaru,

I hope you try again and have better understanding this time, by the grace of the Master.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2011, 03:59:36 AM »
Jai Sai Master!!

Join me too... This is the first time I will be reading the book. Master Garu please bless us...

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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 08:48:06 AM »
Jai Sai Master.

Let us begin the Paarayana and join together again during this weekend here in this Satsanga mandiram.

Jai Sai Master.
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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 07:43:51 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

Yes ! Amen !!

I am thinking of starting it from this Thursday (tomorrow) !

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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 08:07:04 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

I am In. I am going to start from tomorrow(guruvaramu).

Thank you very much for starting this thread.

Jai Sai Master!
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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2011, 09:04:44 AM »
Jai Sai Master.

Spring Season is the best time to start with combined reading for various reasons. As per wiki, Spring time refers to ideas of rebirth, renewal and regrowth. And Spring is a transition period between harsh winter and summer. We are almost there near Spring season.

And March 6th is such a wonderful day of Master gari, Amma gari Kalyanam. With all these positive thoughts, let us continue our journey of combined study.

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The first page explains where any individual can belong. Am I a thiest or atheist or vague individual without any goal or an explorer of truth or a vanchaka who changes according to the outside influences?

Master garu also explains how it encourages hatefulness, arguments and conflicts when anyone comes to conclusions just like that just based on the existing beliefs. Master garu says an Explorer of Truth is the only one who is in the right path and this Book helps in that direction.

Immediately we get a question "we have so many things to deal with in our lives. Why should we think about all this?" Master garu explains Every one is concerned about Sukham (Welfare,Happiness), Dukham(Pain,sadness), Dharma(Morality - good acts based on Teachings like Nonviolence),adharmam(lack of morality like violence), Satyam(Truth), asatyam(Lies), Gnanam(Knowledge),agnanam(lack of knowledge),Pragati(Development) and tirogati(going back in development). Ahiests who do not believe in God can not talk about the above traits which every individual wishes for or against because all these are factual traits of Chaitanyam. All the wrong happenings in the society related to money, power which make every individual to suffer are due to the lack of knowing the truth and by being under the influence of selfishness.

Even believers in God are also using the concepts of Godliness to cheat themselves and others without exploring the truth.

So far we have learnt about three words 'Asti(belief in God), Nasti(Lack of belief in God) and Religion. Master garu continues explaining about "Adhyatmikata" (Spirituality). Here we can read the amazing explanation by Master garu about the true meaning of Spirituality.

Master garu continues saying unless until we study in a proper way from the authentic knowledgeable Teachers, it is wrong to simply argue that something is not true. That is the reason why even today's Sceintists are trying to conduct research on the states of meditation.

This covers the first three pages. By now we can get the initial feel of the objective and essence of the Book "Vignana Veechikalu".

Two Scientists "Erwin Schrodinger" and "Fritjof Capra"'s quotes are given in the begining of the Book. Master garu gave the list of Books that have contributed to the evolution of the Book at the end. Erwin Schrodinger has written "What is Life?" and "Mind and Matter". Fritjof Capra has written "The Tao of Physics". One interesting point we came to know from wiki that Erwin Schrodinger's Book 'What is Life?' has inspired Watson, Crick and H.J.Muller for their experiments on Gene and DNA.

Other than this we are trying to read about basic concepts in this week about Human cell, Molecule, Atoms, Chromosomes, Nucleic Acid, DNA, RNA etc. This is giving some basic preparation.

One thing we felt when we were doing Paarayana of Vignana Veechikalu for the first time was as we moved forward we found amazing truths as we turned each page.

Please share your comments. How are you planning for the Paarayana? Please bring up your ideas.

Jai Sai Master.
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Re: Combined Reading - Vignana Veechikalu
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2011, 08:33:40 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

In my Last night's dream i saw a serious discussion is going on in this thread vignana vichikalu. we discussed many many interesting things ect..


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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 06:09:28 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Good post Uttam-pallavi. Here is the image set for the first chapter..


This page, being the opening page of the Master's book, as all the others, is simply stellar!!  In this, Master gives a great categorization of the society. He says there are 5 types of people.

The peculiarity about this paragraph is that everytime I read it out, I seem to find myself in every one of those categories other than Anveshaka, and only see myself in the last category of Vanchaka by the time I finish reading all those. This is peculiar.

Once one friend asked me regarding the ordering of those categories. When I looked carefully, it was peculiar.

When I read the first, I would end up saying, 'yeah, i am this'.
Then when I read the second, I would think :
   'yeah, may be I am in this!! I neither follow the rituals diligently, nor do I have such a rigorous belief in God. Internally, I find myself so selfish through out the day, that most of the day I end up acting/thinking as if there is no God. And then when I look at my value system, at its heart there is so much self-centered angle in it that I might as well be saying 'its deadly to be a believer!' 'its too hard, nay, dangerous, to be so good and self-less' and all such things! I belong into this second category'!!
Then I read the third, I would think :
  'yeah! this fits perfectly! I never even give enough thought about these things, I am rather like a frog in that well, always worried about MY little life while ignoring everything else in this Grand Cosmic Drama'.
Then when I read the fourth, I would say : 'Yeah, I am not this. Definitely not this.'
And when I read the fifth, all the above thoughts would just culminate in accepting myself as a member of this category, the vanchaka, since I realize that I really dont have a strong enough view on the whole thing and that I keep vacillating between the first three as per the situation (seeing which one is most 'profitable' in each situation and jumping into that category).

This happens every time!! Any body else felt so??

After this categorization, Master keeps gives a run down of the silliness of 'blind belief' towards atheism.  Here are the pages :
 

And then, on page 'iii', Master says a beautiful statement " Intoxicated by such selfishness, the individual is closing his mind from dwelling upon the nature of his own consciousness (chaitanya) from which such selfishness is manifest " (my poor translation).



After reading this line yesterday, I stopped and that got me thinking. Thoughts ran from the blinding and binding darkness of my selfishness to the necessity of thinking about all this at all!
Will put down my thoughts in a few hours.

Jai Sai Master!!

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 09:46:26 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

And then, the next lines hit me like a thunder-bolt (as they do every time I read!!).


" Even among those who proclaim themselves as believers, such belief seems to be mis-used to cheat themselves and the others, and there is an utter lack of 'Jignasa' (the urge to understand) in their lives. This kind of non-belief which masquerades as belief, like a wolf in sheep's cloths, is the cause for all the wrongs commited in the world in the name of religion".

This particularly struck me, as it rang with what lalithagaru wrote in the online meditation thread. I started wondering if that endeavor side tracked into such pollution (while i know in my heart of hearts why I started that thread with good intent). I was thinking about it, and I just flipped vignana-veechikalu. And lo! Master answered. Page no. 118 and no. 119!! That re-presented the idea behind that thread, back to me, once again! And in page 119, under the section "III" the last line of that paragraph summed it up. I will write more about this again in that thread.

Now, moving on,
Master, in the next big paragraph, defines what True Spirituality is all about. And then lays down the Guru-Sishya Tattwa as central to the whole endeavor. He then mentions in good light, the experiments that are under-way in the study of 'meditation', etc. He then decries the idea which says that all such is nonsense, unnecessary, etc. Here, He strongly condemns blind and fake belief as much as blind and self-deluded atheism.

The next page is :


More as I read.

Jai Sai Master!!