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Hearts Out / what is meaning of satva guna...
« on: July 24, 2018, 11:35:09 AM »
can someone explain to me the meaning of satwa guna..?

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Jai Sai Master....
Dear Sai Bandhus and Babu Garu,

Namaste to all  of you.

I am entering this forum after a long time and read some of the threads which were fascinating.

There are many satsangs and bhajan centers of Sai Master Devotees which happen to be all over India and the world.

Is it possible to provide the addresses of each along with some email and contact numbers so that people visiting this site can
find a satsang center which is near to their home and visit it.

If you have a list like that please provide it here for us.

With Regards
Ravi

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Jai Sai Master,

The past few days reading news papers have disturbed me a lot.I want to ask as guidance from my fellow master devotees about how to face such events in our daily life and still be calm and composed.Our life mostly revolves around master garu, sai baba ,venkayya swami etc and suddenly such things happen that ask our attention to face the real world...The world of war and violence outside.

How do we face such situations and still be calm,composed and peaceful.

with regards
Kiran

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General Discussion / About Sri Bharadwaja Ashram
« on: July 07, 2008, 01:14:53 AM »
Jai Sai Master,


I have read that there is sri bharadwaja ashram near shiridi,near pimpal gaon highway....what happens in the ashram...what are the activities etc....please let me know....I want to visit it.


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General Discussion / About Karma Yogis....
« on: March 21, 2008, 08:48:22 AM »
Jai Sai MASTER

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General Discussion / Babu garu ...About Master Gari books
« on: January 24, 2008, 09:50:45 AM »
JAI SAI MASTER..

Babu garu,

Are there any books written by Master garu on the Bible...If yes can you please tell me how to get a copy?.

thank you

with namaskaram

kiran

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General Discussion / JESUS CHRIST AND HINDUISM
« on: December 28, 2007, 01:24:15 AM »
JAI SAI BABA SHIRDI WALE!
JAI SAI MASTER!

I would like to post this new thread on Hinduism in JESUS CHRIST and his sayings.This is my guru seva for december :) for I love Jesus christ a lot...

I would like to tell you all about how christ entered my home.
One of my uncles back when i was about 5 years old was in critical stages of cancer and every one of our family was around his death bed.Our elders of house brought many sadhus and sants and in that process a christian missionary women had come to our house to pray for him.She was very poor according to my mom and she wore ragged clothes.She came and prayed for my uncle sitting by his bedside and as she prayed she shook like a leaf

Suddenly my uncle got up from bed and said 'what have you done to me?.What medicines have you given me?.I was in so much pain till now and all that is gone as if someone has wiped it off with his hand....He was in terrible pain till then and it went away for about 10 minutes.He talked as if he had no disease for a few minutes after being bed ridden for many months.MY peddamma and grand mother had a vision of christ in all his peaceful glory.

Now to my expirience of being with christ was when one day I was very very disturbed about some aspects of my life.I went thinking about my problems and was walking aimlessly on a desearted road.MY heart was in a lot of pain then and i saw a very small church and i went inside and prayed.When i came out of it I had an unexplained peace in my heart and i remember asking myself 'what has happened to me?'.
I was in so many doubts and so many fears and now all that has gone as if someone has taken it away with his right hand.
That is why Jesus is called the prince of peace.He truely is the one who makes your heart sit up at one place uptightly.He puts you at ease.This is my expirience.

It was then I began to read the bible along with Sai Leelamrutam...especially the new testament  and was surprised to find great similarities with the hindu religion that I grew up in.

Today after a few days of Christmas..I would like to remember his birth and praise Jesus Christ and explain to you all the similarities of  christianity and hinduism.For he is the BABA of the MIDDLE EAST :).

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 1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the East to Jerusalem,   
 2saying, "Where is He that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."


When Jesus was born  three great wise men came from the east to see him and they said that they are comming all the way from a far off country after seeing a star.Now many people believe that the three men came from INDIA and they were saints of indian origin as those days INDIA was a center of learning and was spiritually very advanced.
THe star that they saw in the east in the above example is the janmanaksatram of Jesus Christ that told them that God himself was about to be born in that part of bethlehem.
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 4John baptized in the wilderness and preached the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

   
 6And John was clothed with camel's hair and with a girdle of a skin about his loins, and he ate locusts and wild honey.



The next important hindu aspect comes to us in the shape of JOHN THE BAPTIST.
He according to me was a sadh guru of his times and he used to live the life of a sanyasi according to the way he is described above.
Jesus the Son of God actually goes to him and takes baptism from him.
John the baptist says 'you are higher than me...i need to take baptism from you..but Jesus says let it be like this for this time as that is how it should be done.This scene that happens can be compared to the taking of sanyasa by a hindu where in he leaves the sinful world and becomes a monk.Baptism means being coloured ...or rubbed in or being coloured by Gods love...This is how a person leaves the world and commits himself to God completely.
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 17And Jesus said unto them, "Come ye after Me, and I will make you to become fishers of men."


Jesus says that he will make his desciples as fishers of men.Where in they will go into the world and declare that salvation is not something very far from you...oh worldly people ..it is in fact very near to you.The kingdom of God is at hand....all you have to do is leave the world and grasp it....They will fish men and bring them closer to God.
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THE SERMON OF MOUNT.

   
 3"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

Here Jesus says that those who are poor in sprit are blessed by God.Just as those worldly people who are poor always seek money those who are poor in spirit seek God and they are the ones who are truely blessed.
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 7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Here Jesus says that those who show mercy to animals and humans or any life form will also receive mercy from the ultimate God.
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 14"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.

   
 15Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick, and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

 
This verse above is there in the Bhagavat Geeta.

Jesus says to his desciples that you cannot hide from this world with the knowledge of God in your heart.You have to spread it.

You cannot hide light from the world because the purpose is to show path to others.Similarly if you have the knowledge of God you should not hide it because of persecution or other kinds of fear.Also a city on a hill cannot be hidden in the verse below.

   
 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in Heaven.

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Now to the ahimsa concept of hinduism

   
 21"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old, `Thou shalt not kill,' and `Whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.'

   
     
 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee,

   
 24leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way. First be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

 

If you are about to give your offering to God and you remember that you have some problem with your wife,relatives,friends or neighbours ....then at that very moment leave that offering there and go first and reconcile with them or say you are sorry and become friends with them..then come back and give your offering to GOD.OTHERWISE your offering is of no use....

Master garu says in sai leelamrutam that 'In reality things we consider small mistakes are in really big ones in this above context only...

Jesus also says   
 
 25"Agree with thine adversary quickly while thou art on the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
   
 26Verily I say unto thee, thou shalt by no means come out thence until thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.



Which means that while you are in this world or in this way make peace with your adversaries otherwise in the other worlds you will be jurdged for your actions here and be cast off in hell ...and you cannot come out of that place unless you suffer and paid for your actions and thoughts in full in hell fire...
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 27"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old, `Thou shalt not commit adultery.'

   
 28But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

   
 29And if thy right eye cause thee to fall, pluck it out and cast it from thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.



Jesus says in the above verses that adultery is not only when a person has physical relations with other women but adultery is committed when you look at a women with a wrong intention in our heart.
Jesus says if your eye causes you to sin then pluck it out because it is better to be blind in this world then to commit sin with your eyes.
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 NOW TO THE LATEST INDIAN FAD OF YOUNG COUPLES DIVORCE ...  >:(

JESUS SAYS

"It hath been said, `Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement.'

   
 32But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery; and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

so you cannot leave your wife because she is difficult or because you both do not get along with each other  or because (like the americans do ) she has grown unattractive or he dosent make that kind of money he once did etc....
Divorce is sin in the eyes of God.
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    About ahimsa again he says..

 39But I say unto you that ye resist not evil, but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

If a man slaps you do not slap him back....

The son of God also says

   
 43"Ye have heard that it hath been said, `Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy.'

   
 44But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you,

Jesus says that God give sunlight to everyone equally ...that is those who sin and those who are pure at heart similarly those who are cruel also get his sunlight and air and water  so be just like God in the matter of your jurdgements about other peoples cruelty....
If you love only those who love you what is the use?...even worldy people do that....
IF you salute to people of your clan only what is the use? even worldly people are like that...

Jesus says BE PERFECT JUST AS GOD WHO MADE YOU IS PERFECT.

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 3But when thou givest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth,


THIS is a perfect example of nishkama karma given by Jesus Christ......He says when you give money for any good ....give without your name being known to anyone....give in such a manner that if you give with your right hand...your left hand should not know about it.
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Treat others just as you want to be treated..

   
 14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.


if we do something wrong we feel that it would be good if those who suffered forgive us...similarly forgive others who sin or do bad to you so that your God will forgive you....those who show mercy are the ones who receive mercy.
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 19"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal;

   
 20but lay up for yourselves treasures in Heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.


This above verse is hindu in thought where we all hear about how we dont take anything with us when we die...that we spend all our lives gathering things that are of no use after we die ....Jesus says that moth and rust currupt the wealth of this world and thieves can steal our worldly wealth but the treasure that is spiritual cannot be stolen and it is the one that comes with us after we die.

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 24"No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

   
 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
   
 24"No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.




We cannot worship wealth and God at the same time with the same intensity.We have to let go of one to get the other...because where ever our wealth is there our heart will also be...

Actually IDOL worship should be looked from this point of view also.We put our worldly businesses and worldy wealth and properties before God and give priority to them ....And that wife,kids,wealths and all ties of samsara become idols as we worship them instead of God
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Now if you do not amass wealth or keep your heart in earning money how will you live?
JESUS ANSWERS BELOW

   
 25"Therefore I say unto you, take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

     26Behold the BIRDS of the air, for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

 27"WhiCH OF YOU can increase his height by thinking about it?   

 28And why think of clothes all the time?..look at the lilies of the field, how they grow. They do not spin or work but still have been decorated by God much better than a king..   

 30Therefore, if God so beautifully decorates the grass of the field, which  tomorrow is cast into the fire, shall He not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

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 15"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Here Jesus says to keep away from false Gurus....

HOW TO recognise them?.

   
 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

   
 20Therefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.


look at their desciples and you know their guru....

thats all for now.I will post more in future when I have time.

with prayers to a YESU PRABHU on his birthday...

Kiran   











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General Discussion / Bhakta Markandeya and Mordern Science......
« on: August 08, 2007, 11:56:54 AM »
Jai Sai Baba....Jai Sai Master...

I would like to post what i read today from a book on introduction to hinduism by western writer linda johnson.

' many of us in the western world are so proud of what our scientists and technology have achieved,we are tempted to laugh at the insights of other cultures,particularly if we dont understand them.Lets pause a minute to look a little closely at one of the fables from hinduism's supposedly primitive past.

Markandeya was not born in our world.He was born in a previous yuga.

one day Markandeya noticed his parents were upset and very sad.When he asked what was wrong,his father fearfully admitted that when markandeya was born,the village astrologer predicted that the boy would not live beyond 16 years of age.

Well that very day was Markandeya's 16 th birthday.

Rather upset markendeya ran to the temple and threw his arms around the image of shiva and begged him for protection.

At that very moment the God of Death entered the temple ready to slip his noose around markandeya's neck and drag him out.
But just as Death reached for the boy,Shiva materialised in front of them in a furious appearance saying how dare death approach a devotee while he was worshipping him.
Death was so terrified that he ran away and never dared to approach Markandeya again.

That was fine for time being,but after a few billion years it got to be a problem.
The sun eventually flickered out of existence and the earth passed away.
Markandeya flouted in empty space for eons because he never died.

Finally the earth reshaped itself back into existence for the new yuga and Markandeya was able to walk on earth once more.

He repeated what he had expirienced between the two yugas to anyone who asked.

what happens when the solar system dies he explained is that sun slowly turns red and expands to many times its present size.
The surface of earth eventually becomes so hot no living thing survives and the planet becomes bare of all existance.
Then the sun explodes emitting a burning wind that blasts the planet to ashes.
Now rather startlingly this extremely old hindu myth describes the end of the world exactly as our mordern scientists and astro physicists predit it will occur.

Carl Segan the well known 20th century scientist of carnige mellon university noted that the parallels between the hindu teachings and mordern scientists findings about evolution of the universe are astounding.

with regards

kiran

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General Discussion / The previous birth of sai baba of shirdi-KABIR
« on: August 01, 2007, 01:30:54 AM »
Jai Sai MASTER,

Sai Baba said many times that he was KABIR in his previous birth.

IN this thread i have posted some of his poems and life history.

                                     KABIR
Kabīr (also Kabīra) was one of the most interesting personalities in the history of Indian mysticism. Born in or near Benares, there is a mystery about his family background.

The basic religious principles he espouses are simple. According to Kabir, all life is an interplay of two spiritual principles. One is the personal soul (Jivatma) and the other is God (Paramatma). It is Kabir's view that salvation is the process of bringing into union these two divine principles. The social and practical manifestation of Kabir's philosophy has rung through the ages. It represented a synthesis of Hindu, and Muslim concepts.

From Hinduism he accepts the concept of reincarnation and the law of Karma.

 From Islam he takes the affirmation of the single god and the rejection of caste system and idolatry.

Not only has Kabir influenced Muslims and Hindus but he is one of the major inspirations behind Sikhism as well.[8]

Kabir openly criticized all sects and gave a new direction to the Indian philosophy. This is due to his straight forward approach that has a universal appeal. It is for this reason that Kabir is held in high esteem all over the world. To call Kabir a universal Guru is not an over exaggeration.

The Guru of kabir was saint Ramananda .

It was unusual for a Hindu teacher to accept a Muslim student, but tradition says the young Kabir found a creative way to overcome all objections.

The story is told that on one particlar day of the year, anyone can become a disciple by having a master speak the name of God over him.

 It is common for those who live near the Ganges to take their morning bath there in the sacred waters.

The bhakti saint Ramananda took his bath as he did every day, by arising before dawn.
 On this special day, Ramananda awoke before dawn and found his customary way down to the steps of the Ganges. As he was walking down the steps to the waters, a little hand reached out in the predawn morning and grabbed the saint's bigtoe.

 Ramananda taken by surprise and he expressed his shock by calling out the name of God.
 Looking down he saw in the early morning light the hand of the young Kabir.

After his bath in the early light he noticed that on the back of the little one's hand was written in Arabic the name Kabir. He adopted him as son and disciple and brought him back to his ashrama, much to the disturbance of his Hindu students,some of whom left in righteous protest.

It is said that what really made this meeting the most special is that in this case it,was only after Kabir's enlightenment that Ramananda, his teacher, became enlightened.

One of the most loved legends associated with Kabir is told of his funeral. Kabir's disciples disputed over his body, the Muslims wanting to claim the body for burial, the Hindus wanting to cremate the body. Kabir appeared to the arguing disciples and told them to lift the burial shroud. When they did so, they found fragrant flowers where the body had rested. The flowers were divided, and the Muslims buried the flowers while the Hindus reverently committed them to fire.
It is said that what really made this meeting the most special is that in this case it,?was only after Kabir's enlightenment that Ramananda, his teacher, became enlightened
The above story is similar to what happened after BABA'S Mahasamadhi.

NOW TO SOME OF HIS POEMS


"IF God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage, then who is there to know what happens without?"

"THE Yogi dyes his garments, instead of dyeing his mind in the colours of love
He sits within the temple of the Lord, leaving Brahma to worship a stone.
He pierces holes in his ears, he has a great beard and matted locks, he looks like a goat:
He goes forth into the wilderness, killing all his desires, and turns himself into an eunuch:
He shaves his head and dyes his garments; he reads the G?t? and becomes a mighty talker.
Kab?r says: "You are going to the doors of death, bound hand and foot!"

"O BROTHER! when I was forgetful, my true Guru showed me the Way.
Then I left off all rites and ceremonies, I bathed no more in the holy water:
Then I learned that it was I alone who was mad, and the whole world beside me was sane; and I had disturbed these wise people.
From that time forth I knew no more how to roll in the dust in obeisance:
I do not ring the temple bell:
I do not set the idol on its throne: {p. 109}
I do not worship the image with flowers.
It is not the austerities that mortify the flesh which are pleasing to the Lord,
When you leave off your clothes and kill your senses, you do not please the Lord:
The man who is kind and who practises righteousness, who remains passive amidst the affairs of the world, who considers all creatures on earth as his own self,
He attains the Immortal Being, the true God is ever with him.
Kab?r says: "He attains the true Name whose words are pure, and who is free from pride and conceit."

When I was, Hari was not,
now Hari is and I am no more:
All darkness vanished,
When I saw the Lamp within my heart.

Him whom I went out to seek,
I found just where I was:
He now has become myself
whom before I called `Another'! .

If the Guru be blind
the disciple is born blind:
When the blind lead the blind
both fall into well

(we find similar saying in the bible where jesus says ' The disciple is never greater than the teacher and if the teacher is blind then both will fall into a well)

To find the Guru is a great boon:
without Him, you are lost,
As the moth attracted by the lamp's flame
falls into it in full knowledge! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (5)

Maya is the Lamp, man is the moth,
circling arround [the flame], he falls:
Says Kabir, thanks to the Guru's wisdom,
a few are saved. . . . . . . . . . . . .

Man is but a doll made from five elements,
to whom a human's name is given ...
We are but guest of four days,
yet we take up so much room! .


When the saint dies, why do you cry?
he is going home ...
Weep over the wretched Sakta,
who is sold from market to market!

I searched for the crooked, met not a single one
When searched myself, "I" found the crooked one

I've burned my own house down,
the torch is in my hand.
Now I'll burn down the house of anyone
who wants to follow me.

lift the veil
that obscures
the heart

and there
you will find
what you are
looking for


The self forgets itself
as a frantic dog in a glass temple
barks himself to death;
as a lion, seeing a form in the well,
leaps on the image;
as a rutting elephant sticks his tusk
in a crystal boulder.
The monkey has his fistful of sweets
and won't let go. So
from house to house
he gibbers.
Kabir says, parrot-on-a-pole:
who has caught you?


It is needless to ask of a saint the caste to which he belongs;
For the priest, the warrior. the tradesman, and all the thirty-six castes, alike are seeking for God.
It is but folly to ask what the caste of a saint may be;
The barber has sought God, the washerwoman, and the carpenter--
Even Raidas was a seeker after God.
The Rishi Swapacha was a tanner by caste.
Hindus and Moslems alike have achieved that End, where remains no mark of distinction.


O FRIEND, dear heart of mine, think well! if you love indeed, then why do you sleep?
If you have found Him, then give yourself utterly, and take Him to you.
Why do you loose Him again and again?
If the deep sleep of rest has come to your eyes, why waste your time making the bed and arranging the pillows?
Kab?r says: "I tell you the ways of love! Even though the head itself must be given, why should you weep over it?"



WHY so impatient, my heart?
He who watches over birds, beasts, and insects,
He who cared for you whilst you were yet in your mother's womb,
Shall He not care for you now that you are come forth?
Oh my heart, how could you turn from the smile of your Lord and wander so far from Him?
You have left Your Beloved and are thinking of others: and this is why all your work is in vain.

This last poem is about the parabrahma or the highest God.

"WHERE Spring, the lord of the seasons, reigneth, there the Unstruck Music sounds of itself,
There the streams of light flow in all directions;
Few are the men who can cross to that shore!
There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,
Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads,
Where millions of Brahm?s are reading the Vedas,
Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation,
Where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,
Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered,
Where millions of Saraswatis, Goddess of Music, play on the vina--
There is my Lord self-revealed: and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.



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Saimaster Books / How can this be a true path....
« on: July 18, 2007, 11:09:22 AM »
Jai Sai Master,

Babu garu I am posting my questions here as you have advised me.

I dont know anything about aghora way of reaching God.

 But when i read about some verses in master gari leelamrutam i got some doubts.The lines master garu wrote are like below

'GURUVU vacha bodinchedi kooda agnaname.Paatralo unde matti ni matti tho pogottinattu etc '

I did not  understand how a guru uses agnana to remove agnana of his disciple.
It appears impossible to me.

1)  you have written that the way of the aghora is to remove his ignorance with his ignorant acts.And he chooses to do all those things like eating human flesh and sex with corpses.

It seems very sinful way to me.

But i know one story of sri rama krishna paramahamsa where vivekananda says to sri rama krishna that he is against all the occult practices and sri rama krishna replies 'naren just like a  house has a front door and a back door both leading to the house ..why dont  you think of this as the back door to God?.

I didnt  understand why we should take the back door.How this way helps them to remove their ignorance etc.
Who is supposed to follow this kind of sadhana?.
what is the purpose of it.

There were people who believed that if we give humans as bali to kalika they will reach God.And there are some verses in hinduism that talk of human bali too.
Is this not another way that is just based on some black magic and ignorance.
coming back to aghoras they  eat dog shit etc to show that they have mastered their senses.I can understand that but not the copulation with the corpses etc.Even though body is illusory what is the need to do that act as it is a karma in its own.I agree intension is important and they dont have the desire but then they are doing some work here.What is the purpose of it?.

please explain.

thank you

with regards

kiran.

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General Discussion / Your personal expiriences with master garu....
« on: July 17, 2007, 04:07:11 AM »
Jai Sai Master,

I would like to ask all the personal devotees of Master garu to tell us about his/her personal expiriences or  those personal expiriences of master garu that they have heard from some other devotees and post them here.So that we can read them and remember him and feel the presence of master garu.

thanking you

with regards

kiran.

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General Discussion / the old web site was organised
« on: June 15, 2007, 09:54:25 PM »
Respected Sir ...

The old web site was more organised than the new one.
In this site topics move from one to another with out any link whereas the old site all related topics were kept in one thread.
This site needs some pruning i think :)

thank you  all

kiran

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