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saikiran

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Doubt on askin baba through chits
« on: April 28, 2014, 06:59:46 AM »
Jai Sai Master
Jai gurubhyom namaha


Omsairam

   To all sai bandhus,recently i got a doubt on asking baba or claryfying doubts by putting chits in front of Sainath.

This particular chit method was accepted by Baba in satcharitra i.e Deekshit used to put chits for those things that he was not clear or had confusion.As we all know when baba was living in shirdi there were many (or every one) who normally conclude with baba on things they want to perform in their lives with.Below are few example in which devotees consulted baba directly for their personal clarifications.

---Buti asking baba for the samadhi mandhir and confirming about the samadhi.
--Damu anna for starting his business
-- Dasaganu doubt

So later after baba maha samadhi deekshit followed this method of converging with baba in the form of Chit;which was accepted largely by Sai.


------------My doubt now is that I totally understand that baba is with us and through parayana we have to do our sadhana tadwara gurudevuni ardam cheskune vivekam manaki ostundi.But this chitti veyadam has also become a part of my life.If i have any doubt i ask baba through chit and with no other thought i trust and do it .

Recently i got many doubts in this method because of one incident

1).My doubt is Chittilu vesi baba chepedi manam telsukovadam ane kriya enta varaku master garu anugrhincharu(For sure master garu didnt disagree i guess).

2)Manam baba nee mana jeevitham lo oka sangatana(situation for answer) gurinchi adgutunapudu mana bhavanusaram aa chits lo oche answer change avtunda i.e  Does our bhavam has any effect on the out come of the chit answer?

  3)Prati kshanam mana guru manatho unadu ane bhavam kosam prati kshanam prayatninchu ani master garu manaki nerpincharu ,mari alanti sadhana lo ilanti way of askin baba how much is worth ?How much is the answer from those chittis are valid??

4) Manam oka sari chitti adgadam tarwata malla mana manasu ki nachinatu chesina yedala isnt it same like doing some thing  that baba asked not to do(for example isnt it same like tatya going out of shirdi even baba said no??).If it is the case how can we really know what is correct.

5)Yat bhavam tat bavati annaru sai.Nee bhavanni batti nee falitam and hence i totally trust this chitti method; But at the same time does na bhavam na prardana ne change chesi naku nachinatu(nachina vishayalalo)naku nache aa answer ochelaga chestunda??Anthe indirectly even if i am askin baba does that mean the answer will be "X" because i wanted "X"??

6) Anthe na manasuki X anedi kavali ane asha undi and i asked baba through chits whether i need to go for that "X" (lolopala na manasu inka ashistundi that "X" should come to me ani) and nenu Chitti vesanu.Naa answer deni medha depend ayyi vuntundi.

---------------------------------My experience -----------------
Na total life until now ,I took many decisions by putting chit or toss the coin.Never i forgot that the answer given was truely and only by my guru Sai.I trusted and followed and never did i came across one solution which was wrong; my friend also trust it .Recently for some important decision in his life we asked baba .But when i asked baba , i got a answer and my friend got opposite.That should not happen if we asked using one exact question(i.e one bhavam and with no other asha)!! isnt it ??Anthe mana manasu bhavam ela untundo alanti answer ostunda if we put chitti?I never gave this much thought but my friend is now against this method.

I need some discussion and clarification guru bandhus.I may have confused you;but my friend has to take a decision and i need your prayers to choose what is what.Babu garu please amma gariki na manaspurti namaskaralu .

Jai Guru Dev


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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2014, 10:27:41 AM »
JAI SAI MASTER!

Guru Kutumbamunaku Guru Bandhula Saadara Pranaamamulu.
Once you adopt drawing chits, it means that you are surrendering to Him.
While doing so you should be devoid of likes and dislikes and carry out His order in the form of outcome of the draw as your Dharma.This is as per Sai Master's letter addressed to me in 1979.

Jai Sai Master

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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2014, 04:50:11 AM »
Jaisaimaster,

Thank you sudhakar garu.

Omsairam

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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 11:09:26 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Asking Baba with Chits implies three conditions

1 : We cannot and do not want to take the decission ourselves.
 There cannot be too many situations in life that put such a deep question. We are given our brains by the Lord to train ourselves to take responsible choices. Taking chits for this and that denies our acceptance of that divine gift. Yes, there are situations where we certainly cannot take decissions and then it is alright to ask Baba, but it should be a situation where we can not take a decision and we do not favor one option or the other, and that such a question is absolutely crucial. For instance, taking the chit of 'should I attend that interview or not' is not appropriate in most cases. Attending it is the least courtesy and shows our interest for a job. No company wants to hire a person who is not interested to work with them buts put it all on some chits. And there are many more dimensions to this too. Attending an interview, whether one succeeds or not is not such a do or die situation, and better still it helps one improve with experience in most cases. So, most of the times, that is not a good time to go for chits. Just an example.

2 :  Taking chits being largely accepted by Baba is not a true statement. Its more of a blanket statement. Taking chits depends on situations and whether Baba accepts it or not will certainly depend on situations. It is notable that no scriptures, no Mahatmas ever prescribed the method of chits to any of their devotees. If it is to be 'largely accepted' practice, one would expect Mahatmas to prescribe the method for their devotees 'largely'. Instead, they taught prayer, meditation, parayana, seva, dharma etc.

3 : One has to be sure that the options in the chits are valid either way. One has to be sure that one is doing the right thing in either of those options. I have had one gentlemen take chits to steal/sell something that belongs to me!! What right does he have? He did it, and it came as yes!! He considered it as a 'Yes' from Baba!! In the first place, he does not have the right to put those chits! Similarly, one person asked me whether he should put chits to marry a particular person he knew for a long time. My only response was that I would tell the other person to take chits every day with the question "Shall I divorce today" and when it comes as yes that person could divorce. If that is ok, may be it is right. Yes, marriage is a big decision and asking Baba is not wrong. But the question is, is one asking whether one should marry or not in the first place? If so, is one ready with the calibre to hold the answer for life? There is a fallacy there, and unless one is very careful while putting chits, one is demeaning all of Life.

When all the above are considered carefully, and the question is of that importance, then I feel it is alright to go ahead and take chits. Master was quite against taking chits unless for very important situations. He made it clear to many devotees.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 09:47:29 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Babu Gariki Manahpurvaka pranaamamulu.
Excellent post!
Demolishes all doubts-
Final word on all dilemmas regarding drawing chits.

JAI SAI MASTER!!

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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 07:57:06 AM »
Omsairam Babu Garu,

  Danyavadalu,I really got a good understanding.But it also made me think or relate to the most important part of my life(Marriage).
Babu garu i am trying to understand much deeper about this and below are few of my doubts

1)There cannot be too many situations in life that put such a deep question

Related to the top sentence,I still dont understand ,why there cannot be many situations that will lead you to ask baba through chitti?

My Understanding :If i understand correctly,It is because baba already explained us what is good and what is dharma and hence if we are able to do his parayana and seva we will be able to decide based on the reality

2)Baba is amazing,because its been few months that i did not visit this post and today when i went to baba temple (Toronto) and there i saw master gari book and when i saw him ,it was as if i still needed an answer for some solution.So after coming home i just opened my post and saw this amazing solution .But i am super confused now because of your below explanation.May be i am understanding wrong .

If that is ok, may be it is right. Yes, marriage is a big decision and asking Baba is not wrong. But the question is, is one asking whether one should marry or not in the first place? If so, is one ready with the calibre to hold the answer for life? There is a fallacy there, and unless one is very careful while putting chits, one is demeaning all of Life.

one is very careful while putting chits, one is demeaning all of Life
What do you mean by this babu garu ?

 
It was amazing to know about this particular topic,because briefly it was the same i asked baba on his samadhi(Dasara 2014).I met a girl and asked him if this is the girl i should marry .I wanted some one who understands sai seva and who knows baba ,who will always let me do sai seva .I really fought a lot about this marriage thing and i never atleast thought about any girl,But as said;it was a miracle that she came into my life and after a lot of parayana i did ask. My whole question to sai was ,will i be in baba's route if i marry this girl .I did stick to it and today after seeing this solution from you babu garu i am confused now. I have decided one thing,I will wait (saburi ) and see what baba does .

But i want some thing or some one who will allow me to do my sai seva,how can i find some one like that in this present world ?If at all you have to marry and be in baba route, isn't asking baba and praying for a solution is a best thing .I can just revoke all that baba said from chit.I am ready to leave her if i found that she is not the one,But before that shouldnt i really pray hard and understand what baba is actually saying to me !!!

Just to understand more ,Let me go back to when master garu decided not to marry because of his immense love was on adhyatma and Sai. Marriage was some thing master garu never thought of and it came  like a shock to master garu .Satyanveshana medha unna paripurna shradha master garini epudu aa bhavam lekunda chesindi.I am never ever comparing any one to master garu but trying to understand as much as i can .Pakalapati guru gari paripurna anugraham tho and sai nathuni ashisulatho maha kalyanam ayindi.

Ento sadhana chesina master garu is very different than what i am,Antati anveshana cheyadam alanti alochana ,pattudala tho baba ne namadam adi master garike sadhyam.But he did accept baba's decision.Master garu was able to understand that baba is actually asking him to marry to do more guru seva.(I ame xtremely sorry if i am wrong,Baba medha pramanam i am only trying to understand).So Baba oka mahapurushuni dwara master gariki eee marriage thing cheparu and proved it perfectly right!!

If thats the case to master garu,what should i follow now ?
 Guruvuni anukarinchaku anusarinchu ani anaru master garu.So i am just trying to follow what baba wants to tell(for me for now baba said she is the one ani )

Be with patience and shradha tho parayana cheyadame important for me now ani na strong feeling.I want to leave this girl and also this marriage matter to baba!!


Sai nath amaharaj ki jai,Naku temple lo kanpichi inta alochinpa chesina master gari padalaki na namaskaralu

Jai sai Master
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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 11:59:16 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Just as a thought experiment, what if every wife takes a chit every day in front of Baba whether or not to leave her husband? (or vice versa)? :D  What if the girl you are asking Baba about does the same? How do you feel about that? Just as a thought experiment. What if every doctor takes a chit whether to treat a patient or not?


To extend it further, can we take chits whether to eat or not every day or to feed our kids that day or not? When do we draw the line and say "This is something I need to think by myself with the intelligence I am already given, and with the support of teachings of Mahatmas and with the advice of friends we trust in"?

I am not suggesting we should do that, I am just asking the above as a method to think.

Also regarding chits about a girl, is it some sort of a confidence in ourselves/Baba to do the best in our lives and get us married to a person most suited to us?

I personally asked Baba whether I should get married or not because after 5 years of thinking I could not come up with an answer. But after that, I myself decided the person whom I would marry. I felt it correct and respectful towards the other person and towards myself to do so. I did not want a girl to choose me based on chits, but based on ME. ( cannot imagine it being OK for me if it happened that a girl chose me based on chits..).

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 12:02:56 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Just for kicks.. we know who we are, deep inside, right? All our flaws, our ambiguities,  our lack of self-control, our fears, our weaknesses, our desires, our thought-wanderings.. Knowing all of that, if there was another person with all of those and we knew it, would we offer our daughters to such a person?

If not, can we expect Baba to do so?

Just asking these questions as thought experiments, because the question you asked has a lot of assumptions such as one being eligible to marry in the first place, and we need to get through those to get a clarity on the chits issue.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Doubt on askin baba through chits
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 12:11:00 AM »
Omsiaram Babu garu ,

      Thank you very much :). Not only i understood what i need to ,but it also gave me more insight .Finally I will literally need to understand and analyze more on where and when i need to draw the line(by remembering the dharma i have to do).

   for what ever reason,This particular question made me literally think a lot about different mahatma's and also concentrate more on sai nath .

 Jai sai master