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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2009, 09:01:33 PM »
I know he was the most famous Scientist of this century.no body beat him yet. I want to know the advantages of this theory.

To Answer this question in a simpler way, You can move with a velocity even grater than that of light.
If you wish to go any where, you can reach there in a fraction of a second. as C is square root of (E/M), as you reduce the mass more and more, you will get the higher speeds. You can relate this to the specific power possed by Gods in our vedas as they can disappear from one place and apear at another place.You are able to talk to your relatives around the world because of the advantage of this theory only. For this the main casuse is the flow of electrons or even photons, because of their lowest mass, they can carry the energy with them in a fraction of seconds. But for man, achieving the supreme advantage of this theory.(ie. himself converting into energy and propagating)as of now is impossible in near future. May be some time latter I wish we can achieve this too.

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« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2009, 10:32:26 AM »
Dear Mamu, (I have a Mamu with the exact name as you. So can I call you that?? :))

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If you wish to go anywhere, you can reach there in a fraction of a second.

Did Einstein state that statement ?? How did Einstein prove this statement to be true ?? Did he travel using this method?? You said that the less the mass the higher speed gets, so did Einstein reduce his Mass?? How did he reduce his Mass ?? How can a person reach a place in a fraction of a second ?? I mean we can't do that now or else we wouldn't need transportation like Buses, Cars, Bikes, Scooters, Cycles, Jeeps, etc. If we want to go to a store we can't go there in a fraction of a second, we would need some kind transportation.

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You can relate this to the specific power possed by Gods in our vedas as they can disappear from one place and apear at another place.

why would god disappear and appear in different places when god is everywhere??

E=mc2 (Square)

Energy = Mass * velocity of light * velocity of light

All of you taught me that Energy is everywhere in everyone and in everything. And I know God is everywhere in everyone and in everything. So that means God is Energy and Energy is God.  That means God is in vacuum too.

According to Einstein's theory, matter is energy and energy is matter. That means God is in matter. Matter has mass and volume. That means that God has mass and volume. How can God  have Mass and volume when he is formless?? Matter also has Atoms and Molecules. God has atoms and molecules. And God occupies space.

Here is an equation that has all of this data:

Matter = Mass & Volume (which have Atoms and Molecules)
According to Einstein, Energy = Matter
Energy = Mass & Volume (which have Atoms and Molecules)
Energy is everywhere, in everyone, in everything.
God is everywhere, in everyone, in everything.
That means Energy = God.
God = Mass & Volume (which have Atoms and Molecules)
That means that God occupies Space, because anything with Mass, Volume, Atoms, and Molecules occupies Space.

I have 1 more doubt, If God is everywhere,why do we go to Temples to worship god ??
« Last Edit: June 30, 2009, 11:08:29 AM by Srusti.M »
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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2009, 09:41:52 PM »
Hi Srusti,
                  Your questions I will answere one after the other.

Did Einstein travel using this method??
                  Einstein didnt travel using this.But he formulated this theory and tried to explain us the reason behind the high velocities of energy packets(photons).

How did he reduce his Mass ??


He didnt do this. but It can be possible and For this I have read in some books that man can reduce his mass, and we can acheive this with some older  egiptian Yoga  by controlling our SWASA. But I didnt proceed further into this.may be some one else can help us..

How can a person reach a place in a fraction of a second ??
Yes he can achieve this if he becomes an energy particle . Just in a simple way to tell Man ---> Convert to Energy---> travel with light velocity---> Recreate to man. ( This is completely fiction as of now)

why would god disappear and appear in different places when god is everywhere??

You are absolutely correct. God is nothing but energy and he is present every where. I have specified this as an example only because your little brain can grasp it easily and it is exciting too isn't it? :). you might have read in your story books that god will vanish from one place and appear at some place in a fraction of second. Dont you ever get a doubt how can god achieve this?

Here is an equation that has all of this data:

Your equation is brillient. God is nothing but Energy.

I have 1 more doubt, If God is everywhere,why do we go to Temples to worship god ??

yes God is every where, he is inside you, inside me every where you see you can find him. But how do you experience the god inside youself ? How do you feel him ? You can experience only when you try to know about him. Then how will you know about him? Right here Temples and Vedas comes into picture. They will tell you how to achieve this.So to know more and more about him, you need to search for him the more.


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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2009, 10:48:46 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Some clarification as  I see it..

1. God is everywhere. In everything. As everything. As all the devas prescribed in Vedas.

God doesnt 'disappear' from one place and 'appear' in another - rather, God DISAPPEARS or APPEARS (not From and TO) whenever and where ever He wants to. Infact, He does this all the time, right? I mean, God appears in so many forms to us and when we sleep He disappears (that is those forms disappear).

2. God is formless. God is also with form!! He is forms, all forms, which means, in effect, no particular form and so formless! Also, for Form to be there, there should be something other than form. Since there is nothing else, God is formless. But that doesnt mean God Cannot Have forms. Forms are what we see (because of our eyes and their structure.. for example, we see a table). God is what makes that table and everything else. So, God is what is behind that form, what sees that form and also that form!! And everything else too. So, God is both with form and without form.

3. Regarding reducing mass through pranayamam (swasa), no need. To travel faster, no need of reducing mass if we use Yoga. That is a different concept and has nothing to do with what Einstein's equation E = M*c*c. This is a wholly different topic regarding Siddhis. Physics doesnt explain it yet.

4. Lets not get too much of devas and siddhis into this thread yet. Let the discussion continue about science. Everything is God, srusti. For now, for this thread thats enough. Get on with the math and science part!! We will discuss all those later on!

Jai Sai Master!!

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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2009, 05:41:40 AM »
Dear all,

Just a detour?. Being a long weekend wanted to get out of science mode?.

 I agree with Dwarakanath garu on the previous four posts/conversation (between Krishna garu and srusti).

Putting certain basic physics facts, mass energy convertion atleast the way its written/ and as I see it, doesnot work that way. Mass is not converted to energy; A form of Energy has mass as a parameter. Rather Matter has energy, mass being one of the parameter in Matter. Even hypothetically a 50 kg man moves at the velocity of light the mass remains constant i.e. 50 kgs (actually theoretically would be more than 50 kgs). What changes (along with time), is, the volume of matter (man in this case).

Furthermore, if matter (man) moves at velocity of light than transformation again back to man is thermodynamically close to impossible, the three possible outcomes (may be more ?) one, the mass has to burst apart, when it comes to halt (Like  Big bang); two, if the mass has to stay as it is (constant), should get into a black hole and annhilate; three, if the mass has to completely reduce to zero and convert to photonic energy, matter has to meet anti-matter and than convert to energy.

These are the theoretical possibilities I can think of.  On another note, I am not sure of the meaning of Gods, but if they existed, they cannot be simple packets of energy. But, if the reference is ?the supreme? (I personally don?t like the word God, as it attributes gender and material matter ?thing?to the word, as in every?thing?) definitely cannot be thing or energy. If its just matter/mass/energy convertion way, than if I create a space with vacuum (as a theoretical possibilty) there is no matter and no energy and so  and no God, in other words I can create and God-less environment,?.which by itself cannot be the attribute to ?the supreme?.  If I have to believe the sentence, ?devethalu ante athetha mayina shakti samardhyale? (something to that effect); than gods are much more than energy packets; rather a combination of power, will and capacity (in biological terms, not mathematical terms) all three of which don?t have a standard fundamental physical units.  If that was so true about ordinary Gods (assuming their existence)  ?the supreme? which is described as (bismillah, irrehman, irrahem) all powerful, merciful and benevolence,all of which (or atleast last two) cannot be measured. This essentially rules out a physics justification to ?the supreme?.

Finally defining ?the supreme? is much beyond the capacity of even entire mankind, that what Lord Buddha said (which Einstein fondly mentions and also I personally like) when he got enlightenment and initially hesitated to teach anything to mankind, and maintained silence when asked on the existence of God, again when asked several times, the closest He said was ?the supreme truth? is beyond human and physical capacity.   On another note, He said truth is Vacuum, meaning of  which no one to this date understood or explained in an understandable human way or left it for human to understand by themselves.

All this is a long way of telling, it will be too naive of a jump to explain the benevolence of the supreme in mathematical way, and neither is it the aim of maths.

On another note, Will come back to science  and energy conservation part of this thread soon after this break J

Om sai ram

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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2009, 11:06:19 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Devas of Vedas are different levels of consciousness that make the world tick. They are like the principle guiding forces, akin to angels and gins in christianity and islam. There are several.  Edinijam last chapter, Last para of the chapter "Sakala Devata Swaroopam" in sai leelamritam, purusha sookta rahasyam intro illustrate this beautifully. What you said about devas (as combination of will, power, etc.) is perfect.

Regarding Vaccum, even in vaccum there is quantum potentialities (probablities), fields, etc. No perfect vaccum which is totally empty of everything can be created other than theoretically. So, no place where some form of energy (or potentiality) is not there. So, there cannot be  a place where God (or Supreme as you prefer) cannot be. This is what I feel. Correct me if I am wrong.

However, regarding physics-justification of the supreme, you are again right. Physics cannot justify ALL the attributes of the Supreme. However, physics cannot justify humans too. Their ideas, emotions, etc, are beyond physics, but physics can give a coherent view of human beings' attributes like size and shape and mass and mechanics. Similarly, there can be a physics justification of certain attributes of the Supreme, like all pervasiveness.

One needs to understand the nature of the world, as well as the nature of the Supreme (to the extent one can, which keeps on growing) to realize and fulfil the human life.  That is the goal of life as described by the Saints. Thus, physics, Maths, etc.. all those, help us understand things better and so, live better.

Edinijam and Matam enduku shed light on this topic and so does Vijnana Veechikalu.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2009, 03:54:42 AM »
Dwaraka Annaya and Swarup Uncle,

You both said that God isn't Energy. But Energy has all of the characteristics God has. Like God is Everywhere; Energy is everywhere, God has forms and is formless; Energy has forms and is formless,  God is Vacuum and is in Vacuum; Energy is Vacuum and is in Vacuum. All of these characteristics are the same for both God and Energy, but where does Energy differ with God??

 
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2. God is formless. God is also with form!! He is forms, all forms, which means, in effect, no particular form and so formless! Also, for Form to be there, there should be something other than form. Since there is nothing else, God is formless. But that doesnt mean God Cannot Have forms. ---


When there is a form available God has a form, but when there isn't a form available God is formless.

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Forms are what we see (because of our eyes and their structure.. for example, we see a table). God is what makes that table and everything else. So, God is what is behind that form, what sees that form and also that form!! And everything else too. So, God is both with form and without form.--


1. God is what is behind that form -- In this example, Who put the Table there??
2. what sees that form -- My Eyes (God is inside the Eyes).
3. and also that form!!  -- The Table (God is inside the Table).   
4. And everything else too. -- The table's legs which are standing on Earth.

Dwaraka Annaya, Is what I wrote Correct??


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However, regarding physics-justification of the supreme, you are again right. Physics cannot justify ALL the attributes of the Supreme. However, physics cannot justify humans too. Their ideas, emotions, etc, are beyond physics, but physics can give a coherent view of human beings' attributes like size and shape and mass and mechanics. Similarly, there can be a physics justification of certain attributes of the Supreme, like all pervasiveness.

What does pervasiveness mean?? Can you teach me the attributes of the Supreme??

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One needs to understand the nature of the world, as well as the nature of the Supreme (to the extent one can, which keeps on growing) to realize and fulfil the human life.  That is the goal of life as described by the Saints. Thus, physics, Maths, etc.. all those, help us understand things better and so, live better.

Is the Nature of the World different from the Nature of the Supreme?? And what is Nature of the world and what is the nature of the supreme??


Swarup Uncle,

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Furthermore, if matter (man) moves at velocity of light than transformation again back to man is thermodynamically close to impossible, the three possible outcomes (may be more ?) one, the mass has to burst apart, when it comes to halt (Like  Big bang);

Uncle are you saying that there was something (before this Universe was created) that was traveling at the Velocity of Light and when it came to a halt, it burst, creating this Universe??
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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2009, 04:47:05 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dearest Srusti,

The main difference between energy and God is like this.

If everything is energy, why did/does the energy take the forms it takes? Why did it form as this creation? There is only energy. There is nothing else. So, nothing else can be the cause. So, the energy must CAUSE itself to take up the forms!!
Now, if anything has to change itself in such a correct and beautiful manner, it has to have 'life'! I mean, a stone can never take the shape of a statue by itself right? Only living things do. So, if energy has to take up such forms, and cause itself to do so, it must be alive! (In the sense of being conscious of itself and conscious of its goals).
That consciousness is what differentiates the 'energy' of physics and 'God' of the spirituality. Since physics doesnt study consciousness, it doesnt go in that direction.

Now, another completely different argument.
When you think of a playground with lots of kids playing, imagine it, then its your mind that takes all the shapes and forms, right? That is, your mind is the space, it is the time, it is the sun and the stars and the air, it is the laws that govern the world of your imagination, it is the kids (each of them) and all their emotions and actions, ALL of them is only your mind. They are all in your mind and they all are forms that your mind takes.
Similarly, all the forms here, are taken up by that Universal Mind (the Supreme). So, energy is a PART of that imagination of that supreme mind.

SO, energy is also God, but God is not just energy. He is much more. That is, when you imagine the ground and all, only part of your mind becomes all those things right? Another part is still there which sees the whole thing. Yet another part is there which says " I am srusti" (for example, if that part of mind is not there, you would not recognize even if some one calls you).
Similarly, it is said in Vedas that only part of God became all this universe (Paadosya Visyva bhootani). There are other parts like "Sakshi".

Reading the last chapter of edinijam along with Amma will help you understand this more.


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1. God is what is behind that form -- In this example, Who put the Table there??
2. what sees that form -- My Eyes (God is inside the Eyes).
3. and also that form!!  -- The Table (God is inside the Table).   
4. And everything else too. -- The table's legs which are standing on Earth.

4. And everything else too --- including you, the earth, the air, etc. everything.

That is why it is said in Vedas "Antarbahischa Tatsarvam Vyaapya Naarayana Stitaha" meaning "Narayana (Supreme) is everywhere, with-in and with-out".

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2009, 10:18:53 AM »
Dwaraka Annayya,

I learned these points from your message:

1)Energy is God. But God isn't Energy. Like a mouse is a part of computer but computer isn't a part of mouse.

2)The Energy in physics is different from Energy in Spirituality. Right??

3)Consciousness +  Energy = God

The difference between Energy and God is consciousness.

4)while imagining we have part of the mind that takes all the forms needed. But there is part of the mind that keeps us conscious(aware) of the surroundings around us, like I am sitting on a soft cushion and the fan is on and that I am chilly, that means our (5) senses are working.

5)So that means when we are sleeping our senses aren't working fully.

6)When we are dreaming, we can't remember that we are in our bed but somewhere else. I also understood that there is another part of the mind that still remembers that I am Srusti.

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If everything is energy, why did/does the energy take the forms it takes? Why did it form as this creation?


May be because it was the energy's will to create mankind. But Why?? I am very curious to know.
It was the Universal Mind's prophecy to create mankind and it became true (it always does).

So Annayya, the Universal Mind's has created mankind along with other creatures. The Universal Mind must have had an intention behind all this creation of creatures, creation of mankind. All creatures follow the same rules. Like they need shelter, food, water, and space to live and reproduce. But Among all creatures Why did the Supreme Mind give more thinking power to humans? What is the Supreme Mind expecting from us? He Must have had some expectations from us by giving us that extra thinking power. Right? What are we supposed to do??

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Reading the last chapter of edinijam along with Amma will help you understand this more.


OK. I will.

We should always look at forms like this:

1. God is what is behind that form -- In this example, Who put the Table there??
2. what sees that form -- My Eyes (God is inside the Eyes).
3. and also that form!!  -- The Table (God is inside the Table).
4. And everything else too --- including you, the earth, the air, etc. everything.

Its a little hard for me to remember these every time I see a form... But I'll try to practice.     

One more doubt....

There is a chance that there could be another Galaxy..that has other planets that have other living creatures. How can we say that human kind is the smartest of all creatures?? There could be an unknown species to us in the other galaxies that has more thinking power than us.

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Now, another completely different argument.
When you think of a playground with lots of kids playing, imagine it, then its your mind that takes all the shapes and forms, right? That is, your mind is the space, it is the time, it is the sun and the stars and the air, it is the laws that govern the world of your imagination, it is the kids (each of them) and all their emotions and actions, ALL of them is only your mind. They are all in your mind and they all are forms that your mind takes.
Similarly, all the forms here, are taken up by that Universal Mind (the Supreme). So, energy is a PART of that imagination of that supreme mind.

According to this quotation, we are parts in the imaginary world of the Universal Mind. But we feel that we are real. I can touch myself and other things but can an imaginary thing touch themselves and other things?? Like the Universal mind, can we create something out of our Imagination?? If we can, will the humans that we create think that they are real too??


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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2009, 09:41:05 AM »
Dwaraka annayya,

I listened to the last chapter of Edinijam while Amma read to me. But I got a few doubts and I want to discuss my question with you all.

Here are the questions i got throughout the chapter.


What is Imagination?? Do we imagine things that we did in the past??
Do we imagine things that we are doing in the present??
Do we imagine things that we will do in the future??
Or do we imagine things that we're unable to do??

Since this Universe is "The Supreme's" imagination and Place, Time, People, Their Actions, Their Emotions, and their Experiences, are all imagined by the Universal Mind, he is the one that controls our Emotions, Actions, and Everything else, then why should WE get reward(good karma) or punishment (Bad Karma) for our Deeds?? "The Supreme" is the one making us do things. Then why should WE get a punishment for our bad deeds?? Baba Garu says that he becomes very Sad when people show Hatred, and Jealousy to each other.

Since he has the power to change our emotions, actions, etc. why can't he make us Not show Hatred and Jealousy towards other people?? He is the one that makes us show Hatred and Jealousy toward each other, then why does he get sad about it??

Our physical body experiences what state we are in. It maybe the Imaginary world, dreams, or Reality. Our experiences vary by our state of Mind (Dreams, Deepsleep, and Wakeful). Then what is the True state of Mind.

In "Matam Enduku", Master garu tells us that god is bliss. In "EdiNijam", master garu tells us that God is Sakshi. can you teach me more of the characteristics of God??
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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2009, 01:23:34 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dearest srusti,

sorry for the delay in replying.. didnt have net.. :/

Good questions!

Imagination is the capablity of our mind to take up many forms. As long as we are bound by past, we can only imagine things that are based on past. Otherwise, anything is possible!!

Now, regarding Karma..

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Since this Universe is "The Supreme's" imagination and Place, Time, People, Their Actions, Their Emotions, and their Experiences, are all imagined by the Universal Mind, he is the one that controls our Emotions, Actions, and Everything else, then why should WE get reward(good karma) or punishment (Bad Karma) for our Deeds?? "The Supreme" is the one making us do things. Then why should WE get a punishment for our bad deeds?? Baba Garu says that he becomes very Sad when people show Hatred, and Jealousy to each other.

Well, if everything is Supreme, then who is getting punishment?? Thinking that we get pleasure or pain is based on our concept of our limited selves. What are we? What am I? What are you? Think about that.. observe that. identifying ourselves with the body, name, form, thoughts, ideas and ideals is what makes us feel that we are seperate from everything else, and that is the reason for all suffering (from both pleasure and pain). Such notion is called ignorance. Spirituality is the way to overcome it and to know that we are One with the supreme - at-one-ment - with the supreme!

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Since he has the power to change our emotions, actions, etc. why can't he make us Not show Hatred and Jealousy towards other people?? He is the one that makes us show Hatred and Jealousy toward each other, then why does he get sad about it??

We play chess. And move the chess pieces. We can play or we can take off the board!! But we do play by the rules right??? If a chess pawn thinks, "why is this player killing me or moving me? if he is all powerfull, why cant he make me the king?...etc", what does it mean?? Baba can take all that away. He is trying to! Its only us who are not understanding and obeying what He says. And so they all stick. And since we are not trying to get out of suffering, doesnt Baba feel bad for us? Doesnt the father feel bad if the kid gets stuck in bad habbits?? In His creation, in His own rules (called Dharma), He is playing as "Guru" and trying to teach us. If we play well, we will understand that we are Him and thats the end of the game where everyone wins! Wanting Him to take all those away is the same mentality that makes people cheat in exams rather than work hard for it.


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Our physical body experiences what state we are in. It maybe the Imaginary world, dreams, or Reality. Our experiences vary by our state of Mind (Dreams, Deepsleep, and Wakeful). Then what is the True state of Mind.

Our physical body experiences the state of our physicality. Our dream body experiences the dream reality; etc. True state of Mind is a state where one is not limited, either by space or time, where one is above the three states of wakefulness, dream and sleep. It is explained as the state of a Rishi sitting on top of a mountain looking down upon three streams. The three streams are the three states.

Characteristics of God can be given as many - depending on the way we see Him. For example, take your father... he is your father, he is the employee, he is the husband.. and then as a father he has some characteristics, as an employee he has some and so on.. If we want to know the characteristics of God, we have to ask - what are we seeing Him as..

If you want His characteristics, read "Vishnu Sahasra Naamam" with meanings. It gives a 1000 characteristics.. :)

For a start, He is all pervading, all powerfull, all knowing, creator, sustainer, destroyer, the beginning, the end, time, space, good, right, correct, absolute, without comparison, independent of characteristics, formless.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2009, 12:10:32 AM »
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Since he has the power to change our emotions, actions, etc. why can't he make us Not show Hatred and Jealousy towards other people?? He is the one that makes us show Hatred and Jealousy toward each other, then why does he get sad about it??

We play chess. And move the chess pieces. We can play or we can take off the board!! But we do play by the rules right??? If a chess pawn thinks, "why is this player killing me or moving me? if he is all powerfull, why cant he make me the king?...etc", what does it mean?? Baba can take all that away. He is trying to! Its only us who are not understanding and obeying what He says. And so they all stick. And since we are not trying to get out of suffering, doesnt Baba feel bad for us? Doesnt the father feel bad if the kid gets stuck in bad habbits?? In His creation, in His own rules (called Dharma), He is playing as "Guru" and trying to teach us. If we play well, we will understand that we are Him and thats the end of the game where everyone wins! Wanting Him to take all those away is the same mentality that makes people cheat in exams rather than work hard for it.

Babu garu,

You said "Baba is trying to". Is it not that he is already doing it. Is it correct to say that
when we are going throuhg tough times, Baba is trying to nullify our bad karma.Is my
interpretation correct ? Please clarify

BTW when the pawn moves from one end to the other extreme end, then pawn becomes any power
it can become a horse or a camel or queen etc. This journey of the pawn from one end to the other
end is akin to the our journey of ignorant state to realized state.
Babu garu, Is this interpretation correct ?

Thanks
Swayam

Jai Sai Master!
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Whatever we practice,becomes the swabhAvA.If control is practiced persistently that will become the swabhAvA.

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Re: Questions & Facts about Energy
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2009, 12:46:24 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Swayamgaru,

When I said " Baba is trying to..", I meant that Baba (Lord Datta) takes avatars to uplift us. He Himself said He is here to lead people towards the goal through "Subhra marga".. thats what I was point out to. Rather than just taking the karma angle, the whole concept of taking forms by the Lord, His teachings, His leelas, etc.. until the fact that the Lord is the force that pumps our hearts, when taken in full, shows us how He is trying to uplift us.

Regarding the pawn, your interpretation is alright.

Jai Sai Master!!