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Ananth

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Re: Kids and their Education.
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 12:02:17 AM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

Dear Ajay, Jai Sai Master!

Here's a part of a private message given to me by Babu garu. I, kinda feel, that it applies universally to many situations, yours being the current one, especially your no. 1 point.

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This is all too common a predicament that many are facing these days. The world is trying to give you a picture of insecurity and inadequacy just to keep you in the 'i am a slave' syndrome that many people are retiring to. Just remember one thing. You've got a brain. Youve learnt many things in life already. You can sure learn anything right now! What is the problem with 'I dont know enough'?? Just dont let that bother you.

And really Ajay, that is so true. People want to see others in the light where, if something is NOT wrong with you, then there is something wrong with you. You see my paradox? That's exactly what Babu garu addressed in many levels (according to our own understanding) at many places in the forum.

I guess it all boils down to how confident we are in ourselves to answer those who try to draw us out for a round of discussion. But again, you see, 99 out of 100 people are out there to comment, but NEVER to discuss, or atleast NEVER to ARGUE. Heck, I would go to the extent of saying, that they would not even try to argue with a closed mind. All they want to do is, comment and move on. And the remaining 1% of people, they do draw you out, discuss with you, argue with you, and in many cases, you and that person might hurt each other with unnecessary comments. All this happen, I beleive, because we are not properly ready. Not ready to discuss. And why not? Because I believe, that we have not started on our journey as shown by Master/Baba. Atleast, that's what I think about myself. When I am convinced that I can break any misconceptions into pieces, whether it is my misconception (of what I thikn I know) or whether it is others' misconception (of what they think is correct...and they think you are wrong). That conviction can happen if we go the whole 9 yards. Until then, we will feel threatned, we will feel helpless, we will feel the hurt, we will feel anger, and possibly we will feel hatred also, towards that person who thinks that we are some religious nuts.

So, for your no.1 point, first of all, as Babu garu pointed out, don't give in to their picture of insecurity. Infact, they want you to to feel insecure so that they can associate with you. How can you be so happy, with no concerns in life? no worries in life? no tensions in life? Common! there should be something that you feel unhappy about. you cannot be happy and be religious or spiritual!! :-)

On this note, ALSO, I wanted to share or recollect one more hard-breaking, no-nonsense lessons/lectures given by Babu garu on the eve of 2010 new year. That struck my heart for a long time. PAth is difficult but worth trying. The gist of it all is..

1. Read Mahatma's teachings.
2. Understand them.
3. Follow them.
4. Tell others
5. Invite others to discuss what we read and strengthen our undestanding of those readings!

and finally and most importantly,

6. If someone teaches the society in a wrong way, either through Radio or Internet or TV or on a stage, go to them, slap their face left and right. Tell them that they are doing it wrong, and tell them that Sai Baba, Ramana Maharshi, Vivekananda, Master...they all taught something and you are teaching something else. Either prove me wrong or you prove yourself right.

Well, obviously, we cannot do the 6th one, which brings me back to question our conviction. Until it is steadfast, we really cannot perform the 6th one. And so, till tha ttime, Babu gari words copied and pasted above (about insecurity) gets useful for us.

Just thought I should share this with you.

As for your 2nd point (young lads), even I am waiting for a proper way to talk to them, so I really cannot comment on that. and the 3rd point (old people), I believe, we can mould old people easier than young lads. But the easiest of them all is young kids. I guess, with the old people, we can always bring into consideration, Gita, Ramayana, and Bhagavatam and equate that to Sai Leelamrutam and other Mahatma's life histories. Somehow, we gotta derive some common ground, dig out Master's pearls from all those books, all His audio lessons etc. Derive the common ground, get them to the neutral stage (mentally speaking) and then we can discuss which also enables us to understand and question our own understanding. isn't it?

Hope I did not write something silly.

Best Regards to all,
Jai Sai Master!

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Re: Kids and their Education.
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 12:27:36 AM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

Dear Raghuram garu, Jai Sai Master!

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why not dwarakanath garu? We want our kids to be like that too. so that we derive gratification out of that. we feel proud to be the father/mother of such a kid. or we take the pride in being the friend/neighbour/classmate etc. And what else do we want in life besides scoring 100% in all subjects?

Are you sure you want the kids to be like that? I honestly feel that besides getting 100%, there is a real real LOT to do in life.

I am not completely dis-agreeing with you. Kids should be intellectual but getting 100% does not necessarily make a kid intellectual.

I am guessing, this (topic or the answer) will again deviate to kids and upbringing, but still just a couple of small thoughts. The whole topic is to know how to bring out the 100% integration of a HUMAN BEING and make him/her realize his/her true potential. right? In that sense, getting 100% is definitely not integration. A total development of mind, body, spirit is 100% but not getting a 100% in a math or a social science and then feeling like 100%.

And by 'Spirit' I also mean to say, very specifically, the spirit of a human nature to help and be helped, in terms of distress, in terms of love, in terms of sadness and happiness, in terms of achievement. As an example, let's say, my kid is studying very hard in science, she goes to extra classes, learns the finer aspects of writing the exam. Let's say, my kid is in ABC school. The entire class cannot solve a particular problem. My kid goes to extra tutorials (I dont want to send my kid to extra tutorials but for argument's sake, let's think that way), and the tutorial teacher is a brilliant one, and he solves/teaches that problem for my kid.

Now, what should my kid do?? Does she go back to school the next day, and write and explain the entire solution on the blackboard? My kid knows that there are atleast 5 more students who are stuck with that just one unsolvable problem. My kids knows that if she keeps it a secret, she is sure to get 100% and others are sure to get only 95%. Should she share it and hope for the best that she still gets 100% among those 5 and stays # 1? Should she keep it a secret? What should we do?

You see where I am coming from? Under ideal situation, my kid should definitely share it. Because the solution to the problem is for a permanant cause and that cause is to understand the phenomenon of that problem. NOT TO PASS THE EXAM with 100%. PAssing the exam is only a means to an end. Not the end itself. isn't it?

So, sharing with others is what is taught in spirit, BUT NEVER EVER EVER in a conventional school. HECK! I will kick my daughter on the bum if she shares it and spoils her chances of getting 100% :-) (I am only kidding, I don't want to do that. To the best of my ability, I want to follow, what our age-old Mahatmas have tried to teach us...I know I will fail...but I will keep on trying, and will depend on Master to bless me)

So, coming back to that "100%-thing" it is definitely not a "end-all do-all" situation. Sometimes, we feel so ( I feel so too) but I am sure it is not.

Hope I did not offend you.

Best regards to all,
Jai Sai Master!

PS: My answer is also NOT an answer to Satyam gari post about a girl getting 100%. I mean, I am not implicating that THAT girl has cheated by going to tutorials to get 100% and not sharing with others etc. But my implication to both that particular girl, and also all kids in general, is to develop integratively. Not to study for the exam for achieving 100% but to study to know the nature of our subjects and in turn to develop our mind-body-spirit strength.
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Re: Kids and their Education.
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2011, 02:13:30 AM »
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My Namaskarams to Dwarakanath garu and all respected members,

Very informative thread for all parents. Here are my thoughts

1. Character and attitude are the foundation pillars for kids destiny

2. Home environment contributes 90% of the kids future foundation, building character and attitude. Schools shape them properly.

3. Parents should cultivate reading habit to kids, Reading life history or preaching?s of famous personalities is very essential for their character and attitude building.

4. I personally like Swami Vivekananda, Sai Master preaching?s and life history. Their message is truly  inspirational to Teens. Swami vivekanada message to younger once is highly motivational. I wonder  how good it?ll be if their message to teens are taught in schools. Then we do not have to worry about school, thinking what kind of school is this. Schools with these curriculum are my preference

5. There is no other Book than Ramayanam which  teaches about communication, interpersonal skills, managerial skills and above all how to live as a Human with human values.

6. Let alone marks and degrees are not helping the kids to shape their life, they need a proper foundation of character and attitude based on Human Values taught in our puranas.

7.Above all saimaster grace and blessings are required.

Please forgive my ignorance...


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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2011, 06:43:28 AM »
Jai SaiMaster,


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I hope she doesnt equate her own worth to the society with the marks that she got.

Very imp point Babu garu.Can not agree more with you. But thats how any students success is measured now,
if you are not topper then you are not worth it.

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Re: Kids and their Education.
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2011, 10:32:48 AM »
Jai sai Master!

daggira daggiragaa one and half years numchi Pillalu,education gurimchi discuss chesukuntunnamu. nenu ededo oohinchukuni US numchi India vacchanu.
avi kudaa naa bhavaalu avvachu. India lo pillalaku manchi nerchukune avakaasam eakkuva untundi,inkaa chaalaa chaalaa anukunnanu. enno debbalu thinnanu. adi kudaa naa asamardhata ayyi undavacchu.
US or India ekkada unaa pillalu maathram swechanu kolpotunnaru.

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As for your 2nd point (young lads), even I am waiting for a proper way to talk to them, so I really cannot comment on that. and the 3rd point (old people), I believe, we can mould old people easier than young lads. But the easiest of them all is young kids. I guess, with the old people, we can always bring into consideration, Gita, Ramayana, and Bhagavatam and equate that to Sai Leelamrutam and other Mahatma's life histories. Somehow, we gotta derive some common ground, dig out Master's pearls from all those books, all His audio lessons etc. Derive the common ground, get them to the neutral stage (mentally speaking) and then we can discuss which also enables us to understand and question our own understanding. isn't it?

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ippudu nenu eami matlaadinaa peddavaallanu comment chesinatlu untundi.
Oka family kalasi undavalasi unnappudu okkokkaru okkokka vidham gaa chesukuntu pothe ika prasaanthatha ekkadanimchi vasthundi?

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Re: Kids and their Education.
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2011, 05:51:56 PM »
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Are you sure you want the kids to be like that? I honestly feel that besides getting 100%, there is a real real LOT to do in life.

jai saimaster ananth garu.

Yes sir, i agree. My point was to invoke the thought 'why we need education at all'. Not as a casual question, but from deep inside.
Out of what do we say we need education? What do we mean by 100% integration of human being?

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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2011, 11:16:28 AM »
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                          ananth garu frankly typing (that i dont know how to thank you about the information that you provided for my confusion) iam sorry i could not read it in time but if you like i want to discuss somemorepoints on this topic with you (ofcourse if possible)
                                                                                         
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2011, 03:32:01 AM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

Ajay garu, Jai Sai Master!

Please go ahead and post them. We will discuss it to the best our ability.

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2011, 08:40:07 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

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My point was to invoke the thought 'why we need education at all'. Not as a casual question, but from deep inside.


Yes why do we need education at all? This is a very good question to ponder. .

so are we investing our precious time only for our livelyhood? why are we so eager to send our kids to schools at their early age(like 3 or 4)?

I am looking forward a nice meaningful discussion, any one care to discuss this?? :)

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2012, 08:51:05 AM »
Jai Saimaster

Dear Gurubandus,

Today, My brother's son asked me one question, I could not answer the question.

The question is ' Why the calender dates stops with 30th,31st on every month,why does not with 32,33,34.....etc.

I was trying to answer that ' that depends on who invented the calender at first time', but i know its not right answer.


I request to you dear guru bandhus, please give your valuables answers.



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Re: Kids and their Education.
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2012, 10:17:58 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2012, 03:41:13 PM »
Jai Saimaster

Thank you so much Babu Garu. I will go through that and find the information.

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