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Kids and their Education.
« on: April 16, 2008, 07:05:38 PM »
Jai gurudatta!Jai saimaster!


Dear Saibandhus,

We are discussing so many things. Lets discuss about our Kid's education.

Some of our colleagues joined their children children in India(Doon's international school). Their feedback is  its very good(few years back).
some are joined their kids in Hyd(most expensive school). They tried for one year there, and again came back. because kid are having difficulty in school(academic wise). Frankly speaking as of now here education is Good(my opinion). But some of our friends are saying its not good here. So they joined their children (5,3 years) there, and mother taking care of their kids there. father is alone here(for their kids sake).

Here the education is mainly application based, not like biheart tables etc etc.....( iam talking about elementary level). No need to carry heavy loads and lots of homework(which i dont like). Spending a lot of time in playing music arts and crafts. They are really enjoying their education. I am trying both CBSE and ICSE as well(by testing). They are doing good in those too.

So whats your opinion on this.

How is today's education in India, as well as in US.

Your views are very valuable to us(parents). Please share your views on this........because i am in a dilemma what to do.

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2008, 08:21:50 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Sri Alimelu Mangamma Sahita Bharadwaja Maharaj Ki Jai.

Let me point some things I noticed about kids eduction in US:

a) They keep the burden low and I think they make the learning enjoyable.
b) On the values side, they are slaughter houses. I will try to elaborate as the discussion continues and possibly correct any misunderstands on my part.

I know in India also there are these "concept" schools coming up adopting a), but I wonder what are we doing on b).
I believe all the things being churned here on morals and spirituality should produce some butter that can somehow be presented to kids. I really appreciate Dwaraknathji for initiating Kids - The Future section here.
I hope this will reach a point where schools want to adopt our online Satsang :).
Nothing is impossible for Master. 
I have one message for Kids when that happens.

DONT MAKE MASTER ANGRY  :D (actually I am serious)


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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2008, 10:33:28 PM »
Although this could turn into a controvertial topic... I want to keep my comments to minimum...

I frankly like american system of education... I have seen the inner details and i liked it a lot... If system followed with proper parental attention and constant reinforcement... i liked it... (i will elaborate in future only if the thread doesnot turn into debate)..

It improves the mental thinking and is wholesome...

But I am comparing education of my time india(+heresay ones about present india) to present US which i personally looked into... so completely biased and cannot be taken as standard...

But parents should also take major share (and its true anywhere be it US or india)...

To my kids and my family/relative kids presently in US i would recommend them US education... the opposite is alos true, to one's in India go only to indian schools..... not because any one of the systems of education is better than other but... along with education, i never recommend kids (atleast untill junior college) to be very far away from parents... as parental supervision and support is very important... and only parents ... not very close relatives, not all alone with grand parents ... but only only under parental guidance...

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Re: Kids and their Education.
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 07:45:22 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

I dont have much idea of the education in US. However here my two cents.

The onus of educating a child, preparing the child for the future, lies with the parents. US or Indian education system is not going to change that. The fact is that kids can be taught without them going to school.

Children are prone to influences. And increasingly India is not as "safe" or "cultural" as people think so. Children require full family support and love. Father in US and mother in India or vice versa due to education constraints, is unacceptable IMO. School does play an important role, but family is much more important.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2008, 11:37:55 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

even I dont have any idea about education system in US for Kids.
There are schools in India (expensive ones) which can teach you good English grammar, good Maths, good Science etc.
The kids will become really strong in these aspects by the time they move out of their school. I could see this in few of my friends.

However, these schools (IMO) don't take time to teach moral values and humanity. The culture also don't seem to be good and the kids spend good amount of time at the schools.

So good thing wud be joining them here and making sure tht they dont get into all these things. Which is challenging for the parents. Else teach them at home.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2008, 09:33:47 PM »
Jai  Sai Master!

Home schooling, especially if a group of like minded parents want their kids to be brought up together in a good value system. Say, a bunch of Master's devotees, getting their kids into home schooling, and for the peer development and group involvement aspects, getting the kids together. ofcourse, for this similar age group among kids is necessary.

looking at the condition of schools, in India (as well as abroad as little as I know about them), the "education system"(curriculums, modes of teaching, facilities, etc.) per se, is not much of an issue. But all the excess baggage that comes with it is a problem. The influence of other people (who are not very like minded) is a big issue. The study part of it, i dont mind any one of these (US, India, any other developing or developed nation). The other part, i do have a problem with every one of those. Since, as per my knowledge, none of them have character development at their core (and even if some pretend to, their def. of "character" varies widely with mine).

In my honest opinion, parents are the pillars. They are the foundation. They are the ones that need to bear the brunt of the pleasure of raising kids who might be fit to be called humans (refer to the qualities Master mentions in Edinijam first chapter). They have to take the major share of the responsibility. They have to set an example. They have to impart the right attitude towards life to the kids.

All in all, i give educational system (around the world  (may be there are exceptions) ) a pretty low respect rating from my side. It is rickety and broken , and literacy is being provided and not much of an education, IMHO.  It has competition at its base, and that is a major flaw for me. Competition and education are like Lies and Righteousness, IMHO. So, in that aspect, the run of the mill education is the last preference in my eyes (talking about the same old eamcets and nonsense). It has become a mere chance that top quality people (in terms of character, not career options) come out of such a system AND  BECAUSE of it.

I say, teach the kids how to learn. Give them the discipline to learn. Desire and opportunity to learn. And they will learn (like they learn their mother tongue and games). I hardly see any of these happening in the schools around me. And I doubt if it could happen any where on the planet right now on a wide spread basis.

Solution? Frankly I dont have a quick fix. Give kids strong foundation, both physically, mentally and morally and spiritually. Then let them get into collages and develop on that foundation. Thats something worth trying atleast. Drop your kid in that school from 9 to 5 where all they talk about is movies (and other nonsense like careers, paycheques, etc.) and you can kiss their characters good bye (unless a divine intervention takes place).
 
Brave and generous souls venturing into teaching, with the aim of giving QUALITY education with a goal of QUALITY in CHARACTER, dedicating their own lives to make better citizen, is the need of the hour. A bunch of honest young people, getting into learning themselves and then teaching it to kids, either in a Gurukulam environment or in a proper school, with a lot of emphasis on all round development with a strong bias towards morals, is needed. Schools and teachers, where money is not the driving force, but humanity in themselves as the prime source of energy, are needed. People teaching because they WANT to teach and because they WANT to serve and share, people who can stand as examples themselves, disciplined, right minded and inspirational, such lions are needed. People who see the next generation of humanity with more respect than what they give to their own pay cheques (and vanities) are needed. Simple.

Jai Sai Master!!


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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 10:10:07 PM »
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Pranam to all !

Please share the news:

100%in all subjects

Report card of Kerala Board girl is a shocker
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by Ritika Chopra - 16 Jun, 2011
FOR M. S. Shreelakshmi, a student of Kerala Board who has applied to DU?s St Stephen?s College, no cut- off can prove to be a hurdle this year.
At a time when Shri Ram College of Commerce (SRCC) has made applicants doubt the possibility of scoring a perfect 100 in at least four subjects, Sreelakshmi?s report card is quite the shocker.
A student of commerce, she has scored full marks in all her six subjects.
In other words, even a cut- off of 100 per cent can?t stop her from qualifying to any course in any college affiliated to DU this year. She has applied to B. A. ( Honours) Economics in Stephen?s.
? Not only does she have 100 per cent in her best- of- four aggregate, but also in all the six subjects,? said N. Raghunathan, teacherin- charge, economics.
Raghunathan, however, pointed out that students of Kerala Board score very high marks every year.
? But I have never seen anyone get perfect score in all subjects,? he added.


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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 10:15:04 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Why share this news?

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 10:26:10 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

I dont have a particular contention with a 'US school system' or a 'Indian school system'. Anyone read Marx's critique of capitalism and his concepts of alienation? They do apply, to a large extent, to the current 'schooling' systems.  Thinking about the role of a person (grown-up) in a personal, family and social arenas, character development (while respecting personality differences), usefulness or such a person (in physical, mental and spiritual levels, and in social context, including the influence he exerts intellectually, physically and emotionally on all those), etc., gives a view of education that is quite well above and beyond 'literacy'.

My contentions are mainly regarding those aspects, although I do have a problem with even the 'literacy' part of it. Rudolf steiner and waldorff (and montessory form of education to a certain extent) address these concepts. Gandhi's views on education, Vivekananda's statements regarding it, JK's view of education, Swami Rama's views, Master E.K.'s views and Master E.B.'s views and Sri Aurobindo's views are my standards. Education, rather than an equalizing force, is ending up as a force of segregation, egotism and a tool for selfish exploitation, is something that must be curbed and averted in future.

That is what I think. And, frankly, may be i dont know enough about US school system, but I am not ready to send my kids to any school as on date.

Vedammagaru's kid is just a year and half old. As on today, they too dont have any idea of sending him to school.

All that said, I would send my kid to school for a period of three months, at the appropriate time (when he is in say, 8th standard), just to show the difference in view points, and also to help him see where things are going wrong in the world.

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 10:34:43 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

That said, do I think schools should be eradicated?

No. Not yet. They are fulfilling a great necessity of society. But they need to be reformed, and reformed fundamentally. And before such fundamental change can be brought about, I think there needs to be a parallel system of 'education', brought about through books, mass media and spiritual organizations where the loopholes of schools are addressed and covered to the extent possible. All the nonsense taught in text-books, and all the good-sense not taught in them, must be taught by other means. Concepts of Yoga, meditation, puja, (to each individual according to his own religious inclinations), etc. must be the integral, fundamental parts of the curriculum of that parallel system. A view of the world must be given to kids which is grossly missing in schools. A school kid today, I doubt, hardly sees the problems of society. The kids must be taught such stuff.

And, the kids must be taught regarding the great wisdom of sages and saints, regarding mind and its methods. Buddha, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi must be discussed. Practical forms of development of the mental faculties must be given, where kids learn to have clean, human, intelligent minds and have the tools necessary to overcome their own personal weaknesses and shortcomings. They have to be taught how to cope with life with equanimity and sincerity.

Thats vaguely what I vaguely think about. :)

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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 06:54:25 PM »
And, the kids must be taught regarding the great wisdom of sages and saints, regarding mind and its methods. Buddha, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi must be discussed. Practical forms of development of the mental faculties must be given, where kids learn to have clean, human, intelligent minds and have the tools necessary to overcome their own personal weaknesses and shortcomings. They have to be taught how to cope with life with equanimity and sincerity.

Thats vaguely what I vaguely think about. :)
babaugaru i have been thinking on this issue for so longtime but couldnot come up with
 proper solution as iam facing difficulties in spreading the exposer on mahatmas ..........
                   1.my age group people are connecting me to a some religious group and considering me as religious fanatic person rather than cocentrating on career
                    2.and all the young lads are not at all ready go through this (obviosly they are much inclined to modern day lifestyle and computer games and internet misusage)
                    3.and whenever i consider elders (omg) they have their own superb explainations  which is landing in to argument
                    could you please give me some suggestions regarding all these things

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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2011, 10:18:31 PM »
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Why share this news?

why not dwarakanath garu? We want our kids to be like that too. so that we derive gratification out of that. we feel proud to be the father/mother of such a kid. or we take the pride in being the friend/neighbour/classmate etc. And what else do we want in life besides scoring 100% in all subjects?

If thats wrong usage of education, then the question is why do we need education at all?
n number of serious people answered. we have read that too. I think it is time to re read.

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1.my age group people are connecting me to a some religious group and considering me as religious fanatic person rather than cocentrating on career

jai saimaster ajay.Though I don't have an aswer to your question, I strongly think you should ignore what others say if you think your doing right. :).

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2011, 10:28:49 PM »
Om Sai Master!
Sai Master garu asseervadinchalani prardhistunnanu.

I wondered.  Cent per cent in all subjects! Very rare student Chi. Sreelaixmi  I thought. As the teacher says," But  I  have never  seen any one  get perfect score in all subjects."
What a Genius  I thought. So I shared my joy.
This is only about the student and not about educational systems.
It is like Anil Kumble taken 10 to 10 wickets in an innings.
ఇది చదివి ఆచర్యము ఆనందము కలిగాయి. అన్నితిల్లో నూటికి నూరా.  ఎంత పట్టుదల, ఎంత తెలివి , శ్రద, సామర్థ్యం  అనిపించింది. ముచ్చట  వేసింది. అందుకే మీతో పంచుకున్నాను. antaku minchi emiledu.

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2011, 11:40:13 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

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n number of serious people answered. we have read that too. I think it is time to re read.
true. true. and true.

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ఇది చదివి ఆచర్యము ఆనందము కలిగాయి. అన్నితిల్లో నూటికి నూరా.  ఎంత పట్టుదల, ఎంత తెలివి , శ్రద, సామర్థ్యం  అనిపించింది. ముచ్చట  వేసింది. అందుకే మీతో పంచుకున్నాను. antaku minchi emiledu.
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I hope she doesnt equate her own worth to the society with the marks that she got.  I think she is much more worth than the 'marks' she got. hopefully, rather than getting complacent or arrogant about the achievement, by Baba's grace, I pray that she realizes that there is a lot more to life than university study.

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 11:58:26 PM »
Jai Sai Master

Dwarakanath garu, thanks for boldly putting light on comparison between the present schooling/grading and real service or education.

So many heart beats and intellect of the kid are wasted just to get  100/100. If its only to know the actual knowledge of the subject, she would have taken only few weeks of time. Now to get 100/100 she has to mug up and loose her playing or sleeping hours for an year.

Another way it shows how badly the questionnaire is designed. Could be that all are objective type. Otherwise it is meaningless to allot full marks for questions which ask for either in-tuition or creativity. Even the facts as they seem to be, it is tough. How to describe Photosynthesis to get 100 marks? Only way is that, the teacher doesn't know beyond that. Worse, the teacher accepts, that's all you can write about it and now on you know everything.  

Copying something is never great than inventing something. Even if it looks good, anyway it should be discarded. Charlie chaplin got second prize in one Chaplin look-a-like competition. A fake guru looks more attractive. Ya, copying should be given less or no importance.

In these lines, hopefully sharing of such information does not provoke the parent to give their kids sleepless nights. As Babugaru said, hopefully the kid gets into correct lines.

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