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Human Psychology
« on: December 24, 2009, 11:11:24 AM »
Sorry I haven't been logging on to the Forums in a while.....   

Here are some questions I have about Good human beings, Bad human beings, and successful human beings........

What is the difference between a good human being and a successful human being??

What are the characteristics of a good human being, a bad human being, and a successful human being??

Suppose there is a good human walking by, she suddenly sees a beautiful butterfly stuck in a spider's web. Will he release the butterfly or let it become food for the spider?? If she releases the butterfly, she's saving it's life, but she's taking away the spider's food. If she let's the spider eat the butterfly, she's letting a creature eat but is also letting a creature get killed.

In the scenario what will a good human being do??

What will a successful human being do??

What will a bad human being do??

Is it best to be a good human being or a successful human being?? Or Both??

I have never seen a butterfly stuck in a spider's web, but I've seen other insects stuck in a spider's web in my garden. I ignored them to let Mother Nature take place.What category will I fall into?? Good because I let Mother Nature take it's place and let the spider eat?? Or bad because I let the butterfly get eaten??

I, personally, don't know the definition of good and bad. I know that there can't be good without bad, and bad without good. But that's it. Is being a successful human being good or bad, or does it depend on the work you're doing??

Can a person be good without being successful??

Can a person be successful without being good (bad) ??

Can a good person change into a bad person??

Can a bad person change into a good person??

Can a bad person permanently change into a good person??

Can a good person permanently change into a bad person??

Can we control being good or bad??

These are all the questions for now........ :)
"We should not bother about a wish that Baba did not fulfill because we should believe that he did it for our own good. We need strong faith in Baba to believe that he does things for our own good."

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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 06:02:29 AM »
Srusti,
firstly wishing you happy and joyful new year  :)

After reading your questions, there is a flash in my mind and it pointed epic RAMAYANA. Following are the answers i found based on what i heard about RAMAYANA.
 

An everlasting success comes only if a person is good human being.  (RAMA,Gandhi,Vivekananda)
A bad human being can become successful, but it is only for a limited time.(RAVANA, Ramalinga Raju (satyam))

A good Human being is the one who Thoroughly understands the dharma and follows it in any circumstances.
RAMA, he knows and always followed dharma, even though he faced many difficulties like loosing the kingdom,going to forest,loosing sita, crossing the ocean,..etc.
finally he succeeded and he is able to rule the world for 10000 years, who became the ideal human being in the world.

Contrast to RAMA, RAVANA too knows Dharma, but he never followed it. He used to change dharma as per his view.
That's why he seems to be a successful person, as he got boons from the lord, ruled Lanka, bought Sita,..etc. but before his death, he saw the deaths of all his sons,relatives and friends.


A bad person changing to a good person

Maaricha (golden dear)

He is a bad person and used to destroy the homam and yagnas of the rushis.
Rama along with Lakshmana came for  protecting the yagna of Viswamitra, at that time rama gave a chance to Maricha to become a good person.
Then after he bacame a good person and doing Tapas, untill Ravana asked him to act as a goldn dear.
He is the person who praised Rama as " Ramo Vigrahavan Dharma "


A good person changing to a bad person

Kaikeyi (Third wife of Dasaratha):

She is a good human being, who loves Rama morethan any one else. but she became a bad person by listening to Mandhara,
she became such a bad person,that she dont want to listen any thing else from dasaratha,except sending Rama to forest.
She lost her saubhagyam (Dasaratha),but she was not caring,untill Bharata refused her, she was in that bad state.



A good human is who listens to all,and analyses before taking any decision. gives the resons why he had taken that decision.

A bad human is who listens to particular perople and takes the decision. he gives the excuses to why he had taken that decision.

We can control becoming good or bad, if we have enough courage to following Dharma.

These are the thoughts came to my mind.

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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2009, 12:22:27 PM »
Sorry I haven't been logging on to the Forums in a while.....   

Here are some questions I have about Good human beings, Bad human beings, and successful human beings........

What is the difference between a good human being and a successful human being??

What are the characteristics of a good human being, a bad human being, and a successful human being??

Suppose there is a good human walking by, she suddenly sees a beautiful butterfly stuck in a spider's web. Will he release the butterfly or let it become food for the spider?? If she releases the butterfly, she's saving it's life, but she's taking away the spider's food. If she let's the spider eat the butterfly, she's letting a creature eat but is also letting a creature get killed.

In the scenario what will a good human being do??

What will a successful human being do??

What will a bad human being do??

Is it best to be a good human being or a successful human being?? Or Both??

I have never seen a butterfly stuck in a spider's web, but I've seen other insects stuck in a spider's web in my garden. I ignored them to let Mother Nature take place.What category will I fall into?? Good because I let Mother Nature take it's place and let the spider eat?? Or bad because I let the butterfly get eaten??

I, personally, don't know the definition of good and bad. I know that there can't be good without bad, and bad without good. But that's it. Is being a successful human being good or bad, or does it depend on the work you're doing??

Can a person be good without being successful??

Can a person be successful without being good (bad) ??

Can a good person change into a bad person??

Can a bad person change into a good person??

Can a bad person permanently change into a good person??

Can a good person permanently change into a bad person??

Can we control being good or bad??

These are all the questions for now........ :)

Hmm..

Dearest Srusti,

Jai Sai Master!

Firstly, I would also wish you a great new year ahead. Now.. dont you know the answers for most of the above questions?? Dont you know who a good human being is?? Tell me what you think is a good human being.
Regarding the little spider thing.. if you were infront of the lion, or your mother, would you let mother nature take its role? Or would you intervene??
Next thing that comes to mind is the fact that the prey is suffering in front of our eyes. Life is more valuable than hunger. Since it fell in our eyes, its our duty to save the 'suffering party'. hence to save is the right thing to do.

And, look up the meaning of 'successful'. Then look up the meaning of good. I think you already know the difference. I want you to explore.

Change, yes. A bad person can become good and vice versa.

Yes, we do control whether we can be good or bad.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 10:14:41 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Hey Srusti,

Can you tell us, some more about 'Good' and 'Bad' and 'Successful'.

take some time,,,but let us all know that.


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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 06:43:08 AM »
Dwaraka Uncle and Svelegel Uncle,

Sorry for my delay in responding to your messages.

Thank you for answering.

These are the qualities I think good people have:

1) The person who sees Baba in everyone is a good human being.
2) The person who treats other humans like Baba.
3) Does Prayer out of Love for Baba not Fear that he won't grant our wishes.
4) Treats everybody equally and with respect.
5) Kind Hearted, if somebody is mean to them, they don't build hatred.
6) Generous, helps other people. 

I think that 1 out of 1,000,000 people have these qualities, all 6 of them.

All successful human beings has two categories
studying,sports,money making, name, fame, entertainment, etc,,,, and the other category is people that have the qualities of a good human being(6 qualities) but have already done these things and have became fruitful in them.

Bad people would not do any of the things that good people do, because both good and bad people can become successful.

"We should not bother about a wish that Baba did not fulfill because we should believe that he did it for our own good. We need strong faith in Baba to believe that he does things for our own good."

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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2010, 04:13:44 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dearest srusti,

what you wrote is correct. But let us look at it more closely.

When we say a person, we mean his behaviour, ideas, opinions, thoughts, intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, attitude, health (both physical and mental), his goals, his emotions, his qualities, etc. In short, a person can be looked at a combination of three aspects.

Mind.
Body.
Relationships.

A good person is a person who has a good mind. What is a good mind? Good thoughts, good opinions (no false opinions), sincerity, patience, keenness to learn, having no ego, self-respect, respect for others, ability to see and understand situations, honesty, feeling appropriately towards situations (that is, if a sad situation happens, and that person doesnt feel sad for others, then can he be a good human being?), what he wants to achieve, why he wants to achieve that, is he selfish or not, etc.
Similarly, he should have a good  body, a body that is well utilized, is not too dependent, does not crave luxuries too much, who is not pulled by what 'his body likes' but can have control and only do 'what is good', alert, not lazy, etc.
Similarly, how he speaks, how he acts, what he thinks about society, how responsible he is, etc.

Isnt it?

Now can you tell me again what a good person is, in terms of the above terms? That is, for eg.. think of what does it mean to have 'a good mind'? What are 'good thoughts' and what are 'bad thoughts'? etc. Then think of what kind of thoughts you get, and others get. What kind of opinions are good to have? Do you have them? Do others have them? How does a good person respond to today's world? How does he respond towards education/study? How does he respond towards meditation?

Think like that, and write as freely and elaborately as you can.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 10:25:56 AM »
Dwaraka Uncle,

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Now can you tell me again what a good person is, in terms of the above terms? That is, for eg.. think of what does it mean to have 'a good mind'?What are 'good thoughts' and what are 'bad thoughts'? etc.
Well, I have few questions before I answer your questions. Is that alright??

You said that a good person has good thoughts, good opinions (no false opinions), sincerity, patience, keenness to learn, having no ego, self-respect, respect for others, ability to see and understand situations, honesty, feeling appropriately towards situations what he wants to achieve, why he wants to achieve that, is he selfish or not, etc.

What is ego?? I think I know what it is, doesn't it mean when a person thinks only about themselves like they are self-centered?? But that person has to be a Mahatma to not think about themselves. In my view, no normal person can do that. I hope you understand what I mean.

What is self- respect?? Doesn't everyone (normal,average people) have self-respect?? I mean, everybody has to think that they are "Awesome."
 
Ego and self-respect go hand in hand don't they? Like ego is the black zone and self-respect is the white zone??  

Then what is over-confidence? I kind of think that self-confidence is close to over-confidence.

Let's say there is a very important test that some students have to take, in order for them to pass, they have to get a 100/100 score. If person (A) has to take this test, he thinks that he will do very good, but he would study to verify all of his facts. That, in my opinion is self-confidence. He knows he will do good but verifies so he will not make a simple mistake, and fail the test. There is another person (B) that takes the test. But his way of studying is watching T.V., playing a video game, and reading a book (novel). He has over-confidence that he will pass the test what so ever. He makes a simple mistake in a writing prompt and gets a 1/2 point taken off. So he failed the test because he had 99 and 1/2 points out of 100.

What is lack of confidence??

What is Self-Confidence??

What is the difference between self-respect and self-confidence and ego??

Dwaraka Uncle, I want to have some clarity on confidence. If I know what confidence is, I'll know what lack of confidence is, what over-confidence is, and what self-confidence is.


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Feeling appropriately towards situations (that is, if a sad situation happens, and that person doesnt feel sad for others, then can he be a good human being?)

I don't get this. You said feeling appropriately, so the person would feel sad because that is the appropriate feeling for a sad situation.

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Is he selfish or not, etc.
Isn't selfishness part of ego and isn't over-confidence part of ego too??

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Similarly, he should have a good  body, a body that is well utilized.
Like instead of using his body for himself, for earning money and using it for himself and his family?? So he would earn money, but use some of it for the society??

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is not too dependent
Not too dependent on what Dwaraka Uncle??

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does not crave luxuries too much
Like traveling in car in a walk-able distance, traveling in a plane in a car ride distance. Reserving the First Class section seats in the plane, having a big mansion for only 4 people, eating out at restaurants everyday, etc. Uncle, you said "too much." So the good person can sometimes do some of these things?

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who is not pulled by what 'his body likes' but can have control and only do 'what is good', alert, not lazy, etc.
So they have to do the opposite of what their body likes??

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Similarly, how he speaks, how he acts, what he thinks about society, how responsible he is, etc.

What is responsibility?? I practically hear that word everyday at school. Like when someone doesn't do their homework because they were for ex. absent on Monday and Tuesday, but they were here on Wednesday. Today is Thursday, and all the work from Mon., Tues, And Wed are due. The person that was absent only has the work fron Wed. The teacher gets mad and says that it was their responsibility to get all of their work done and that they should of asked the teacher of what the assignments were from the days that they missed. Sheesh!! Uncle, does the way that a person speaks reflect their personality??

Now coming to your questions:
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Now can you tell me again what a good person is, in terms of the above terms?

Uncle, I still need some clarity to answer that question......

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That is, for eg.. think of what does it mean to have 'a good mind'?
What is a good mind?? There are 2 important words I need to learn first. What is mind? What is good?? You said a good mind has good thoughts and good opinions.

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What are 'good thoughts' and what are 'bad thoughts'? etc.

I thought Thoughts weren't good for your mind. That's why people meditate. right? I was told that if you keep your mind with out thinking, a kind of energy is formed. If you master that energy, you can do countless things like NINA, she can lift a vessel full of water by just thinking so. That's what master garu wrote in Matam Enduku. In my opinion, all thoughts are bad. And I remember the quote, "The mind is like a monkey, that is always jumping around. You have to keep it from jumping."

And Opinions are kind of controversial. Lets say I want to cut down a tree because its blocking the tourist sign, in my opinion, that's a good opinion. But my friend may think that the tree shouldn't get cut down and that my so called "good" opinion is actually bad. Uncle, what in your opinion, are some good thoughts, bad thoughts, good opinions, and bad opinions?? Because it varies by person. In my opinion opinions, can't get rated good or bad, as they cant get rated right/wrong. I don't know if this opinion of mine is right/wrong, but an opinion is an opinion, right?

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Then think of what kind of thoughts you get, and others get.

In my opinion, I have good thoughts. But I don't know what kinds of thoughts others get.

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What kind of opinions are good to have? Do you have them? Do others have them?

The kind of opinions that are good to have are the kind that you don't have to argue with others about. Like in the example, my friend and I argued about whether to cut down the tree or not. I sometimes have those good kind of opinions. Others sometimes have those kind of opinions too.

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How does a good person respond to today's world?

Today's world is facing many problems like corruption, pollution, poverty, global warming, unemployment, recession, crime, people not caring about the Earth; even if there are some people that know what is happening to our planet, the awareness still needs to spread. Scientists (Cosmologists) are looking for another planet, so we can go there, if needed.

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How does he respond towards education/study?

Since they are learning all this interesting, new, and important things, they will use all my knowledge to help other people learn as best as they can.
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How does he respond towards meditation?


Meditation means not thinking, so, it is makes your mind become peaceful and still. Good people will try to meditate for as long as they can everyday.
   

(When you told me to sit still and observe my thoughts,(in the Brain, Heart, and Mind thread) I did. I was thinking about school and wondering about what we were going to do the next day, then I suddenly remembered that didn't do my language homework. I then thought that I would get a missing assignment mark in my agenda. Then, I thought that my friend got 3 missing assignment marks in her agenda in these 9 weeks, so she can't go to our reward day trip. Then I was wondering what we're going to do on Reward Day, and if it is going to be fun. I did what you told me to do, and I kind of figured that the mind is a Thought Machine. Is that right?? Then again,what is thought and what is thinking??)

I have some questions about mind and brain:

When you are doing a math problem...which do you use??. The brain, Mind, or both?

When you are imagining some thing which do you use?? The brain, Mind or both?
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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2010, 12:53:05 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dearest srusti,

good questions and answers. good that you are weary of what you dont know (and so what you cant answer).. keep it up.

Since you posed such good questions, we would slowly and elaborately discuss each of them.. but as a starter, i will try and answer the last question.

when doing a math problem, what do we use?? brain, mind, or both??

Well, think about it like this.. in a corpse, the brain is there, intact. can it solve math? If so, can we conclude that brain is not the only thing that plays a part in math problem solving (or imagining for that matter)?
what does that say? scientists are not very clear about this issue. This problem is called 'the mind-body question' or 'mind-matter question' or 'mind and brain question' and there is still no clear consensus.

The reason there is no consensus among the scientists is that 'mind' is not 'visible' in experiments directly, as brain appears. One cannot see observe the feeling of sweetness outside of one-self, right? And so, empirical science is inadequate in answering this question. The tests have to be, must be, personal and intrapersonal.. That is, with-in ourselves. And those (thousands and thousands of those) who have done thorough, repeatable experiments have elaborately explained these things.

However, before we see what those people said, lets see what 'empirical' science knows about brain, mind.

Firstly, much of this dept. of science is based on studying people with problematic brains.. i.e., brains damaged by accidents, some kinds of mental deficiencies and illnesses, etc. For eg, a person with a damage to a particular area in the brain cant see.. and people who are 'tickled' (by giving small electric shocks) to particular centers in the brain reported seeing visions.. and after many such studies, scientists have found out that certain parts of the brain seem to be essential in certain aspects. Thats all (virtually) that empirical science can give us as on today.. (ofcourse, there are a lot of other such studies, studies using brain wave patterns, using behavior patterns, animals, etc.)

However, there are too many questions that the above method of science cannot answer.. (infact, many books profess to have unraveled this mystery, and ask us to blindly believe! and they are written by prominent scientists!!)

If one observes that certain parts of the brain seem to be essential for certain phenonmenon, that does not mean that those parts of the brain 'create' that phenomenon.  For eg.. one can argue saying that brain is part of a 'feed back loop', just a part in a larger chain of events which lead to that phenomenon. that is, one can say that brain is like binoculars.. it cant 'produce a sight' or 'see'.. its only a part in the whole chain that allows us to see something far, that chain includes series of lenses, eyes, optic nerve, etc. Brain could just be like a switch board.. It does not create light in a bulb, but is a part of the system that helps create that light in that bulb.

Think about this.

Will write more soon.
Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2010, 02:19:53 AM »
Dwaraka Uncle,

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Well, think about it like this.. in a corpse, the brain is there, intact. can it solve math?

In your example, the corpse can't solve the math because in a corpse the brain is not alive. So, if it means to be brain-dead, it also means to be mind-dead?? How about the people in coma?? They are brain-dead but they're mind is still thinking, right?? So the people in coma have thoughts?? Can there be a person without a mind, just imagine, how his actions would be like, would he just be like a robot?

What if there was a man without a brain, does he still have a mind?? If he does, can he solve a math problem?

I was watching a T.V. show about the brain, and they were conducting an experiment on a person. They gave the person a math problem and the person solved it while they were in the PET (I think?) brain scanner. The scientists saw activity in the frontal lobe, which is what a human brain uses mostly to solve a math problem, but they also saw activity in the occipital lobe, which is part of the brain used to see. Then the scientists explained that there was activity in the occipital lobe because the person was imagining  the math problem. But, isn't imagining made by the mind??

In science class, we dissected lamb eyes and cow hearts. Before we did dissect, we had to learn the process of how the human sees and how a human heart works. In the process of seeing, there are many steps. Like when you see an object, the light reflects into the lens, and then into the pupil, then into the retina, then into the optic nerve, then the optic nerve sends the message to the brain. Our text book told us all of that, but it didn't say anything about the mind??

Even if we have the object, the eyes, the brain, and all the other body parts that are needed in the process of seeing, if the person doesn't have a mind, they can't see. If the mind is so important in the process of seeing and many other activities in the body, why didn't our science textbook say even the word "mind??"

So, we need both mind and brain to do everything, right?? The mind is an invisible thinking machine. How about emotions, they are very much like the mind, you can't see them, but can feel them. Do emotions come from the mind?? Do opinions come from the mind??

What is the difference between emotions and feelings and opinions??
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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2010, 10:10:53 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dearest Srusti,

the key lies in this first sentence you wrote.

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In your example, the corpse can't solve the math because in a corpse the brain is not alive.

even after people are considered 'brain-dead', most of the 'cells' in the brain are still alive. The question is, what do you mean by 'alive'? because it is obviously connected to what 'mind' is. Right?

Think!

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2010, 09:55:53 PM »
Dwaraka Uncle,

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The question is, what do you mean by 'alive'? because it is obviously connected to what 'mind' is. Right?

So, everybody needs to have a mind to be alive??

Alive is when all the body parts are working at least a little. I think.

Uncle, you are saying that if the mind is gone from someone, that makes that person to opposite of alive. You know what I mean right.

What if there is someone that has a problem with their heart, and they had a heart attack, and they pass away. The reason that they passed away was that they had a problem with their heart. But you're saying that the reason for a person's passing away is when the mind is gone. What is the reason of the person's passing away, due to the heart attack or the mind gone??

Today, I was thinking about your post, and so I noticed that we ran out of napkins, so I went to the closet and got the box of napkins and took out some napkins. I took the box of napkins and set it on the table put the napkins in the closet. Then I thought "What was I thinking!" And so I again took the box from the table and put it in the closet and took the loose napkins and put them on the table.What causes forgetfulness?

Do plants and all other animals think?? Since they are alive, they have a mind, right? So plants and animals both can think?Animals and humans both have mind and brain, then what makes humans superior over animals and plants??
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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 01:09:19 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

You have misunderstood me srusti. I didnt mean that one needs 'mind' to be alive. I meant, one needs to be 'alive' to have a mind.

Still, when you say 'alive' is when all the body parts are working atleast a little, i would like to ask.. what do we mean by body parts working? The cells continue to live for some more time even after a person is dead. The heart might stop 'beating' but the cells in the heart are still alive even when the person is dead. same with all the other tissues. At the cellular level, the body is still functioning!!

Infact, to look at it simply,
when a person is alive, body works. And when a person is dead, the body stops working. (not the otherway round.. that is, it is not being 'alive' when the body works, it is that when one is alive, the body works..)
And when we look at the body, virtually all of it is there even when a person is dead!! Which means, obviously, that the body is not a 'source' of life, but a 'result' of life!! (only living things grow, work and reproduce in an organized format).

To think of it, its more like a switch board. The light is on when the switch is on right? But we cannot conclude that the light is 'produced' by the switch!! Similarly, body might  be 'off' when a person is dead, but that does not necessarily follow that 'body' is what makes the person alive.

To understand mind further, rather than look at it from outside (empirically) which doesnt help, one has to look at oneself. Ask yourself. What are you? What are you besides the body? Observe.

Forgetfulness regarding 'one issue' is caused by 'other issues'. if one observes carefully, the mind always keeps doing something. But thats for a later discussion. Lets not jump.

And regarding whether plants and animals think or not, one cannot understand it by 'looking' at plants from outside. One might infer, in the case of animals (like chimps and orangutans) that they are thinking, but its only an inference. That is from our point of view. However, when we look at leelas of Mahatmas or their teachings we can understand that plants and animals do 'feel', but generally they dont 'think'.. how ever, in special occassions, by the grace of Mahatmas (or by certain genetic traits) they might think.

That said, 'continuity of thought' is quite rare in animals. They dont create concepts and build concepts on tops of concepts. They dont 'teach' concepts to each other. Usually, their 'thoughts' or more involuntary and 'natural' than ours. This is the crucial difference between them and us.

Jai Sai Master!

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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 07:46:49 AM »
Dwaraka uncle,

I read your message, very interesting. I had to think a lot to respond to your message.

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Which means, obviously, that the body is not a 'source' of life, but a 'result' of life!! (only living things grow, work and reproduce in an organized format).

What is 'life'?

You said that the body is not the source of life, so what is the source of life?

Uncle, for a person to be alive, they need a body,mind, and brain and all the working organs. But what is the 'thing' that makes you grow, and that is 'fueling' you to go?? what the thing that makes you do everything, like making you think and having ego,having some talents and skills and making use of their brain/mind, having interests in different things,having likes and dislikes etc. Its like a maze for me, i can't figure out where the end is. Gosh.

In the switch board scenario, if the switch is body, and the light is the aliveness/life, what is the current that makes everything run properly??
Is it the same thing which makes you do all things that i listed in the above paragraph? Am i just asking the same question with different words?:)

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That said, 'continuity of thought' is quite rare in animals. They dont create concepts and build concepts on tops of concepts. They dont 'teach' concepts to each other. Usually, their 'thoughts' or more involuntary and 'natural' than ours. This is the crucial difference between them and us.

All thoughts are involuntary right? So what makes animals thoughts makes more involuntary?? Is it because some humans can control their thoughts?

You said that their thoughts are more natural than us, if something isn't natural its definitely man made. So our thoughts are man-made?

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'continuity of thought' is quite rare in animals

so are you saying that animals DO think, but not continuously??

Another question, Does the brain vary by males and females?? I mean to say that if we look at a brain and classify if it belongs to male or female?? Does the efficiency vary by gender??
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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2010, 05:16:49 AM »
Oops. I forgot to ask one more question.

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when we look at leelas of Mahatmas or their teachings we can understand that plants and animals do 'feel', but generally they dont 'think'.. how ever, in special occassions, by the grace of Mahatmas (or by certain genetic traits) they might think.


How can there be feelings without thoughts. for eg if i touch an ice cube and feel the coldness, then my mind says that's cold take your hands off. So we have to think in order to feel some thing. right??

Since thoughts are not natural, are they good or bad?
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Re: Human Psychology
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2010, 11:18:36 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dearest Srusti,

Firstly, coming from the other thread, yes, plants have feelings. (And thoughts are different from feelings).

Secondly, for the above questions, there are many ways of explaining things. These ways are called 'Darshanas' by our elders. Read up on the six Darshanas.

Now, regarding "what is the 'current' that makes the circuit work?"
That is traditionally called 'pragna'. But we shall come to that later. Better get back to the previous questions first before we jump the gun. Did you think about the answers that were given to your earlier questions?

Jai Sai Master!!