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Ananth

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« on: April 08, 2008, 08:14:19 PM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

Sai Bandhus,

I would request to share your views about "success". Success in terms of two factors.

1) Success in materialisitic life, where you wanted to achieve something, that something could be for your happiness, for your pleasure, for your family, or even for yourself. And How do you define Success materialistically? Do you need to compare with some tangible object? or compare with success of others? or do you compete against yourself to define success??

2) More important for me to learn your views is the success in terms of spirituality. I know this particular point has been dicusssed already but still, I was wondering, how can we define success spiritually? How do we compare our success? And compare to what?

And finally, can we mix or let me find an appropriate word, can we amalgamate materialistic success with Spiritual success? I do know for sure, although not by experience but by heart, that if we truly are following spiritual quest (target) to succeed, then materialistic targets and the subsequent success will get in line, will be in tandem with spirituality. But I would like to know how we can do that.

Often, probably I should say, almost everyday, I am plagued with the disturbing thought that am I following materialistic success to forget my true target?? that of spirituality, that of following what Mahatmas asked us to follow??

I hate to bring this word into our discussion, but let's take money into consideration. Everyone in this world, atleast those who are not genuinely inclined towards spirituality, would love to earn millions of rupees/dollars to such an extent that we don't need that much but we still try to earn it. In these situations, let's say one of us is trying hard to follow spirituality and also trying to earn money, not more than one wants but to have the necessities like loans etc, and such situation creates hindrances to our spirituality, then what should one do???

Please forgive me if my questiosn are stupid or if I am bringing too much of materialism into play here. It's just that there were many times where I struggled a lot to balance materialism just to survive and spiriality which gave me immense pleasure. My shatha koti namaskaaras to Sai and Master that they always gave me good perspectives to choose when I was in dilemna.

Regards to all,
Jai Sai Master!

Ananth
Jai Sai Master!
Jai Swamy Sai!

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Re: Success
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 09:27:20 PM »
Dear Ananth garu,

Success although subjective, I assume we are refering to ultimate pinnacle......

Materialistic success is highly debatable and arguable.... so i dont what to get into it now

But based on my discussions with several others and from parayana, i found in spiritual success/ 'the'pinnacle is only one thing, we should transform ourselves to become Baba or buddha or master.... anything short of it is not ultimate (i am not telling success)...

There is a story a devotee thinking "why baba didnot elevate him to Baba's stage?" .... that is the pinnacle in spirituality, its a different story whether we try for it or not, and whether we get it or not.....

For me personally, i know i am not going to get to that stage in this janma atleast.... But my goal which i would define as success, i want to see baba in every person, being and thing.... for this life i would rate that as 'my' success....

Om sai ram

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Re: Success
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008, 06:05:25 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

I think a good starter wd be to listen to Mastergaru speech on Loukikam- Adhyatmikta.

From what I understood, life has to be lived fully on both fronts! How ? Tht i think is a matter of perception.

We have already discussed that one shd try to realize his or her potential. So if for now you think that by your research you are fulfilling your life, go ahead, try to do as much of it as possible and get as much money as you can get. But be sure of how you spend it. Thats the key for me.

Money earned so that you can fulfill your obligations and pursue more of spirituality in the free time is not wrong. One should not try to escape responsibilities, but rather fulfill them. There can be no spirituality without humanity.

Success i think is on two different fronts. One that makes me happy. One that makes me happy since others value that as something being great.

If I am good to others, and do my Parayana and little bit of Pracharam (but not socialize in the general sense), i might value it as a success while my friends might not. If I feel that my potential is better served by not doing a 9-5 job but by spending more time in contemplating on Baba then others need not feel so.

The real battle is always inside. We usually want to get fame while still being good at spirituality. Thats where the problem starts. We want best of both the worlds. That is simple not spirituality. Thats not anything. Thats cheating ones self.

Dear Sai Bandhus, I dont have much practical knowledge of all that I have spoken. It might very well be possible that what I say might not be what I will or haev had practiced. As of now, I feel that this is how I should lead my life.

Jai Sai Master !

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Re: Success
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2008, 09:06:52 AM »
let's say one of us is trying hard to follow spirituality and also trying to earn money, not more than one wants but to have the necessities like loans etc, and such situation creates hindrances to our spirituality, then what should one do???



You need to do lawful karma to earn money
You need the money ONLY to earn food, NOT to earn property
You need the food ONLY to protect the ?Prana? of the body, NOT for BHOGAM
You need to protect the ?Prana? ONLY for ?Thathwa Chinthana? NOT for sense enjoyments

You need to do ?Thathwa Chinthana? 
to overcome the ?birth-death cycle? [OR] to realise that you do not have either birth or death



-From YOGA VAASHISTAM

just wanted to share this with you again......................

« Last Edit: April 10, 2008, 09:55:34 AM by WhoAmI »
Let attachment to the physical body end and unite with you, O Arunachala Ramana

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Re: Success
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2008, 11:54:56 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

Nice way to put things into perspective WhoAmI garu !

Jai Sai Master !

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Re: Success
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2008, 10:28:23 PM »
Jai Sai Master!!

Success is nothing but fulfillment of one's plans and aspirations. Whether materialistic or spiritual. The thing is, many people assume a lot of things, including success. That is, they want something, and they get it, and think it is success. But what many miss is to see whether they really got the thing that made them try for getting something or not.

We all aspire for things because we EXPECT something (usually trupti and shanti eventually). All materialistic things are completely incapable of giving that. Thats why materialistic success cannot be successful at all. Spirituality, if we believe in the experiences of those who are said to have had success in it, seems to give those. So much so that people stop for searching for them elsewhere! I think thats where true success lies.

Jai Sai Master!