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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2009, 10:00:33 PM »
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I am not criticizing this state that we are all in. I am just trying to say that in this state, one should try to think for himself, rather than blindly follow someone (and that too our interpretation of "follow"). What Mastergaru says in His books is GOLD. But frankly we cant seem to apply to it. We are all trying, but I think till the time we are trying, we are also understanding (as compared to understood). So we need to think for ourselves!!

I'm completely agree with Asterias garu.

He is right on the topic.The way he is posing the questions, direct hit on the head.

We came to know about Baba, we came to know about the great master Baradwaja sir. but why we are still worry about overselves. why we are still trying to gain properties,career development, etc,,,, etc, as we came to know they are not the real sources of everlasting happiness. Cant we live with the money which we have right now....can't we give them(kids) better education??as good education will not come with money, its a true blessing. Why so many  excuses like we are busy.........i dont have time for parayana, i have 1hour for parayana.... etc.....etc.

We know Baba's assurances like those who dedicate their lives, he'll take care of themselves as well as their other family memebers. but why we are after all these. Why we not fully satisfied??That means we are not interested in the goal. we are not completely understand its value. if we do respect,faith,love on our guru SaiMaster completely why cant we completely surrender the steering wheel to him live accordingly.

These are all due to lack of Understanding. If we understand their(baba/master)teahings properly they can live without all these. They need not worry about all these things IMO. They just live like Sri Mastergaru and Ammagaru and Swamy garu.

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So what is the "GOAL of LIFE" Huh


IMO before that one should understand WHAT IS LIFE. Why we are created by the Supreme power. What's its purpose?? etc...etc.

Jai Sai Master!

I want to add one more point here.....

Option 1. Good job with less money but lot of time for sadhana.

Option 2. Good job with lot money but minimum time for sadhana.

Among these 2 which one you all pick. Be frank. ;)
« Last Edit: March 21, 2009, 10:13:58 PM by Baba »

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2009, 11:29:03 PM »
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Actually it will be Parayana which will give me long lasting happiness than building my career.

Are you really sure about it ??? A lot of what you mean by the above statement depends on what you mean by "career" and "Parayana"

You are once again limiting Parayana to "reading" the book.

Jai Sai Master !

Yes Iam sure about it, as it is proven from the experiences of so many people as given in
Sai Leelamrutamu.

Iam yet to read all the books of Sai Master, so I don't know depth of the word Parayana.
One thing Iam sure is, reading the book is certainly a part of it.

Jai Sai Master!

గురుబోధయొక్క సారం గ్రహించి దాని ప్రకారం మన యోచనను, పనులను సంస్కరించుకొన్నపుడే మనం నిజంగా గురువును ఆశ్రయించినట్లు. అలాగాకుంటే అది మిథ్యాభక్తే.
Whatever we practice,becomes the swabhAvA.If control is practiced persistently that will become the swabhAvA.

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2009, 11:34:22 PM »
I want to add one more point here.....

Option 1. Good job with less money but lot of time for sadhana.

Option 2. Good job with lot money but minimum time for sadhana.

Among these 2 which one you all pick. Be frank. ;)

Jai Sai Master!

Wow! what a concidence.In this thread itself, I posted similar question
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Y'day I was just thinking about my options in office and I see that I have below two options
ProjectA - very hectic one which adds lots of value to my resume and leaves me little time to do parayana
ProjectB- not so great project, which will not add much value, but leaves me with lots of time to do parayana as the  project is not hectic.Even if I have lots of time, will I indulge all the time in paryana is altogether a question in itself.

These two options y'day just sprang to my mind, automatically my mind went for A .
Jai Sai Master!
గురుబోధయొక్క సారం గ్రహించి దాని ప్రకారం మన యోచనను, పనులను సంస్కరించుకొన్నపుడే మనం నిజంగా గురువును ఆశ్రయించినట్లు. అలాగాకుంటే అది మిథ్యాభక్తే.
Whatever we practice,becomes the swabhAvA.If control is practiced persistently that will become the swabhAvA.

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2009, 06:29:40 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear username "Baba" please change your username.The user name can create a lot of confusion to people who are new to these forums. I would like to request all the users to change their username (create a new one if required) if it similar to "Baba", "Master", "Dwarakanath", "Babugaru" .... It creates a lot of confusion in the minds of those who might be going through the forums for the first time. Secondly, there is a chance that people might send personal messages by associating you with the user name.

Coming to the discussion

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I want to add one more point here.....

Option 1. Good job with less money but lot of time for sadhana.

Option 2. Good job with lot money but minimum time for sadhana.

Among these 2 which one you all pick. Be frank.

And I say what is "sadhana", when we dont know what we want in our life :)


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Yes Iam sure about it, as it is proven from the experiences of so many people as given in
Sai Leelamrutamu.

Again, if you really believe in what is written in Leelamrutamu, you would be able to live the life as prescribed there. Dont you think so? So the understanding needs to be improved. I hope you are folllowing the thread, this point has been discussed.

Jai Sai Master !

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« Last Edit: March 22, 2009, 06:33:28 AM by asterias »

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2009, 07:15:55 AM »
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Jai Sai Master !

Dear username "Baba" please change your username.The user name can create a lot of confusion to people who are new to these forums. I would like to request all the users to change their username (create a new one if required) if it similar to "Baba", "Master", "Dwarakanath", "Babugaru" .... It creates a lot of confusion in the minds of those who might be going through the forums for the first time. Secondly, there is a chance that people might send personal messages by associating you with the user name.

Coming to the discussion

Dear Asterias,

I'm just a passive listener, and this is my first post. I am not criticising anyone here, that it self reflects my helplessness which urge me to write some thing here, bcaz I'm really feeling guilty for the way i am leading life. My main intention is to read and learn something, not to create any confusion. Sorry if it create any confusion to anyone.

Have a fruitful discussion.

Jai Sai Master!

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2009, 11:06:17 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear user name Baba - You did not understand what i said. Please do post in these forums. I am only asking you to change your username. Thats all :)

ps: THe user name Baba is shown as Guest, do guests automatically get this user name ?

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2009, 01:26:29 PM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..
Jai Sai Master, Asterias garu..

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I am not criticizing this state that we are all in. I am just trying to say that in this state, one should try to think for himself, rather than blindly follow someone (and that too our interpretation of "follow"). What Mastergaru says in His books is GOLD. But frankly we cant seem to apply to it. We are all trying, but I think till the time we are trying, we are also understanding (as compared to understood). So we need to think for ourselves!!

Asterias garu, can you please aloborate on this one? There are several doubts and thoughts on this para.

1) "One should try to think for himself rather than blindly follow someone".......
Question: Are you suggesting that we need to follow spirituality based on our own observation of the world? without a Guru or His Teachings either directly or through a grantha-parayana?

Doubt: If yes, How. If not, I need more clarification from you. Not to question your thought but to understand where you are going so that I can understand where I am going wrong.

As an example, there are many points indicated by Master garu where it does not make any sense, for me as a common man. But I would like to take the approach of "not guilty until proven". I want to test out the teachings that Master garu has explained, and until that time that I am ELIGIBLE to test the teachings, I will prepare myself in the way Master told in the books. In this case, I am following Master's teachings, without any prior knowledge. Just like you said, "our interpretation of 'follow' "....yes agree, definitely and 100% the way we follow is our interpretation only. But again, when we consider a yardstick at various points of our life, we can't but agree that we are going in the correct way. So, atleast in some sections or should I say, some incidents, whoever has come into Master's fold, has truly "followed" without any interpretations. Again as an example, I will compapre my life 10 years back about a life without Master's teachings and life NOW with Master's teachings, a world of difference. In this case, there is no interpretation of anybody. Master's influence is universal and uniform, on us. It's just the degree. Having said this, I completely agree witih you Asterias garu, we all interpret Master's teachings, but my point on this matter is, we have positive interpretations. I will take the same example of Baba's saying "Work, Utter Lord's Name, Read Holy Books". For person, who entered into Master's fold newly, will work 25% of the time, utter Lord's name 10% of the time and reads only 2 pages of Holy books. For another person, His day will be filled with almost 16 hours of what Master told and the remaining to tend his wordly duties. So, for the first person, instead of wasting his entire time in gossipping, he is putting 10% time on good work. In time, he will increase.

On this point, I would like to share an embarrassing situation :). When I came into Master's fold newly and came to know of the Parayana MAhatyam, I was reading 1 page of Leelamrutam. JUST ONE PAGE!! And I thought, that's good, I have done my work. So, One day, I had the luck of speaking to Sri Chaitanya Swamy on Phone, And He asked me whether I am doing parayana and how many pages am I doing? I proudly said, ONE PAGE!!  :) Swamy teased me so much about my "great One page parayana" that I Came to know what I said and how wrong I was. But Swamy never said anything to me. Just like a Father, he admonished me and asked me to read more. Over all these years, my parayana has not increased very much, but my understanding of how lucky I am to be in Master's fold is beyond my comprehension in the words. It is unspeakable and I cannot explain it. The life that, though imperfect with many many faulty characteristics in me, I lead now and the life I would have lead if I had not come into Master's fold gives me shivers, dreaded shivers!!!!

So, Asterias garu, there are many times, that we might be following Mahatmas blindly, but in time, we will realize their teachings to full potential. I also remember, in one of the earlier posts, Babu garu said, "we should not be following blindly of Mahatmas' teachings". I request Babu garu to teach us the right path and tell us whether that statement applies to every devotee or to some devotees as per the degree of understanding.

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But frankly we cant seem to apply to it. We are all trying, but I think till the time we are trying, we are also understanding (as compared to understood). So we need to think for ourselves

Can I re-interpret this in another way Asterias garu? Please guide me in my doubts. Maybe I want to view it as "Understanding & and Experiencing" instead of "Understanding & Understood". Because, the moment we say we "understood" Master's teachings, we will experience it fully. Until that time, either we are preparing ourselves to test the teachings or actually testing the teachings. I am really scared of using the word "testing" but I don't know any alternative words. Please correct me.

But my questions still remains for your eloboration. "we need to think for ourselves".

Regards Asterias garu!

Jai Sai Master!
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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2009, 06:13:36 PM »
Jai Sai Master.

Dear Sai Bandhus,

Have you noticed we have entered into Spring season. Let us try to take inspiration from the beautiful nature and let us try to fill our hearts with more positive thoughts. Every time like in our lives, seasons change and bring lot of hope. Actually it happens every day. Day starts with kind rising sun's rays, turns into bright light, turns different with generating lot of heat by afternoon, slowly reduces to again pleasant sunset and brings darkness to the day by night prompting people to switch on the lights till entering into dreams of light or darkness. Day again starts... So what is here all the time is light of new thoughts.

Jai Sai Master in the form of Nature.

We learnt from Sai Master Pravachanamulu. Master garu explained in one of the speeches. And this is what we learnt so far from this current discussion:

What is the essence of Paarayana?

Whether we do Paarayana one para or one page, are we giving value to the essence of Paarayana and is Paarayana turning into application / practice in our lives.

Work, Chant Lord's name, Read Sathgranthas:

Again essence is important. Each practice has the same objective. Currently we are not in a position to understand the similarities of these objectives.

We can only work. In this stage of our lives, we can only work. What we understand is yes, that is good. Do it as worship.
We can only chant God's name. Fine. Let us do it as true worship.
We can only do Paarayana . Fine. Let us only do Paarayanas as sincerely as possible.

What is our current state?

We can not work complete day. But still we want to do right things during the rest of the day. Ok, dont worry. Baba has given us options ( Baba knows our capabilities better than us )

Chant Lord's name, Read Sathgranthas.

Try it. They are not different from work. Great thing here is we are given with the advantage of learning from Mahatmas teachings so that we can do our work with even more compassion and devotion.

Mahatmas knows we start day one of our paarayanas with our assumptions, interpretations and can not even complete one single time reading Their teachings in the form of Paarayana. They have formulated some practices - , Niyamas, Sapthahas, Dwi Sapthahas, Tri saptahas, Nitya paarayana. Their intention is 'Give value to the paarayana and see the results to yourself. Noone else is interpreter here You, Your Self.' The competition is between what you are today and what you want to become in this life.

Come back again now to our current state:

We can only work. In this stage of our lives, we can only work.

Good. Now we know how we can do work with more zeal, compassion and devotion. Very interestingly we find ourselves more successful this time. We say Jai Sai Master for the opportunity given to us with valuable practices and more importantly for making us understand them with His teachings.

Jai Sai Master.
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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2009, 09:03:51 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear Ananthgaru,  This is what I mean.

When I say that we must think for ourselves, these are some of the things that I meant:-

 In Mastergaru's books, there is an ideal way of life mentioned. He tells us how we can get to that stage. He also mentions the pitfalls to avoid, and in case you do fall into one or many of them, He tells the way out.  Mastergaru talks about the need of a Guru, how to identify one and how to do service to such a one.

Now, frankly do we believe in all this??? If we believe in the supreme power of the Guru, then dont you think we would be spending all our time in trying to reach the One who will take us across this samsara ??

So we need to logically and rationally think what we want in this life, rather than just jumping to "trupti and shanti". There are times when I want violence, when I want to shout, when I want to fight. There are times when I want to really spend my time in gossip, movies etc. And all this is inspite of reading Mastergaru's books.

Does it not clearly mean that I really dont believe in all the "mumbo - jumbo". I do believe in it, but only to a certain extent. But I cannot say that I have truly realized that His path is the "Raja Margam" and that "Parayana" is the ultimate thing. We accept that Parayana for us is not what it should be ideally. Its easy to say that we all have our shortcomings/misgivings. But there are times and we all know , when we plainly think of it as a drudgery. Atleast I do think so. I might feel bad later on, but thats my first response.

The essence is this: We think we know the importance of something, we think that we have accepted something. But we have not in reality. The fact that we feel guilty that we dint do aarti or dint do Parayana means that although we think we know the importance, it doesnt really come down to applicability. So instead of just coming to conclusions that Mastergaru tells, I need to think - I am doing Parayana - is it happening the way Mastergaru told? If yes then good. If no, then why not ? Do I really think that Mastergaru is the ONE. If I say yes, can I really give up something that I treasure the most if He asks me to? Can I leave all for Him? If I say that I have my misgivings, my weaknesses, then we are not yet ready. And by not ready, I mean we dont truly believe in all that He says.

In the intro to Shirdi Sai Haarthulu, Mastergaru says that in time, we will feel as if Baba is sitting in front of us. Has anyone really felt that ? I am not talking initially. Initially we all "try" to feel like that. But after a hard day of office work , its difficult to get up early in the morning the sake of Haarthi, day after day. And the fact that we dont feel Baba's presence, further makes us irritated.

One needs to think, whats wrong in my life? Ok I had troubles, what did I learn from them ? Am using Baba as a crutch to accept my shortcomings? Do I really think that Dattavatars will come down at our hearty praying, if yes then are we doing so?

This what I mean, we need to think for ourselves.

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2009, 01:24:32 AM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..
Jai Sai Master, Asterias garu..

Dear Asterias, I think I am slowly understanding your post and the various things you said. Thank you for opening my eyes and my mind. The more I read, the more I am coming to know the difference of what I am and what I ideally want to be. Ofcourse, I still heartily believe that as per the degree of understanding for each of us, we will develop in that time frame (1 month for some, 1 year for some and 1 life for some etc). But even in that Nth Degree, I know deep inside that my life practices are far far away from my ideal mental interpretation of what an ideal day should be. My only idea is that it might not be possible to do it ASAP. For example, I know and I have experienced it myself this wonderful transformation. Everytime I did the saptaha parayana of Sri Guru Charitra or Sai Leelamrutam, invariably, like clockwork, my mind is tuned towards Baba more intensly, my work is completed (both materialistic and spiritual) without any hiccups, I get to understand myself a little bit more. But still, I only do it once in a while. My nitya parayana of Guru Charitra is only tri-saptaha and no matter what and how I convince myself, I don't increase it. But whatever I am doing, like I said, previously, atleast some percentage is helping me evolve better than yesterday.

But overall, I am grasping the understanding of how far away our ideal-day is, from the present day that I lead.

We are blessed by Master through this forum, because it makes me think. I know I have my slips, but I think a lot after such discussions, and out of a 100% of our discussion, I get to achieve 1%. I want to increase the percentage more.

UttamPallavi garu,
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Noone else is interpreter here You, Your Self.' The competition is between what you are today and what you want to become in this life.

This is a very good observation. I firmly agree, it is truly the competition of what we are yesterday, today, and tomorrow. With the help of SaiMaster, we should be better than yesterday and strive for a better 'tomorrow' than 'today'........."dinadinaabhivriddi" in our spirituality.

Glory to Sri Sai Master!

Jai Sai Master!

PS: I also truly believe that the above quote by UttamPallavi garu applies to our materialistic lives too. We need to compete with ourselves in every step of the way to become "Ideally Better".
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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2009, 01:59:24 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear Saibandhus

This is what Babugaru told on a discussion regarding goal (this is my interpretation, if any fallacies - they are mine)

Babugaru said that one must be honest, have clarity and decide a goal. These three things, honesty, clarity and goal, form a vicious circle. Without honesty and clarity, we cant be genuine towards a goal. Once a goal is decided, to attain it, we would have to increase our honesty and clarity towards it, for no goal can be achieved without 100% honesty and clarity. With better honesty and clarity, a better goal will be found. In this way, one leads to another and a feedback chain is formed.

What can we understand from this? What is our goal of life?

In Edi Nizam also, Mastergaru a bit about how to attain something (the 3 points in the intro)

Dear saiuttampallavi garu,

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We can only work. In this stage of our lives, we can only work. What we understand is yes, that is good. Do it as worship.
We can only chant God's name. Fine. Let us do it as true worship.
We can only do Paarayana . Fine. Let us only do Paarayanas as sincerely as possible.
How ??

Doing work as worship, what is meant by that? Suppose I again give you the same alternatives that were posted earlier in the thread, would you do a job which gives more time for Parayana or one which gives less time? If work is worship, you need not bother !

Chanting lord's name, idlly will not help us at all. But when you say "sincerely", you hit the nail.

How can one have sincerity ?

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We can only work. In this stage of our lives, we can only work.

Good. Now we know how we can do work with more zeal, compassion and devotion. Very interestingly we find ourselves more successful this time. We say Jai Sai Master for the opportunity given to us with valuable practices and more importantly for making us understand them with His teachings.
Again how ???

Jai Sai Master !



Jai Sai Master !
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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2009, 11:07:16 PM »
Jai Sai Master.

Dear Asterias garu, other Sai Bandhus,

Thanks for asking. We have put the same question to ourselves yesterday.

After we shared our thoughts we felt some where we are missing a point about paarayana related to work.

Key point is our limitations and where we stand at the present moment. Thanks Asterias garu for making it more clear to us.

We have expressed our thoughts in the context of Swayam gari question about choosing the best option when we are offered with two projects - one demanding more of our time and other less time. Suppose we have done our part of thinking properly and takes first project which demands more of our time, then how we can we perceive the new project work and how can we mould ourselves.

We thought about the way we have expressed. This is pointing to

Work or Utter Lord's Name or Study Holy Books.

But this is not the meaning we would like to share. We realize this is wrong way of understanding Baba's sayings. They exist together. We took some time and re read Master gari explanation.

We referred Master gari explanation for Baba's saying '"Work ,  Utter Lord's Name , Study Holy Books'. While referring we found similarity between three aspects.

When the body is kept in useful work, the mind would calm down and it will be easier to preoccupy it with what is valuable,viz.,sacred study and remembering the Lord. Besides in work, one can easily overcome his chronic self-consiousness, which is Karma Yoga.

The two other phrases, above all, preclude us of vain chattering and gossip, for nothing spoils a man as much as gossip does. as one goes on remembering the Lord by uttering his name, the whole of one's physical activity becomes a practice of obedience to divine order, Which is Bhakthi yoga.

The study of holy text strengthens our right understanding and attitude to life and to God. It restores right sense of values and it makes the mind attuned to the Sadguru, which is Guru Bhakthi, Which utlimately results in Wisdom. This is Jnana yoga.


What we are trying to express is in three of the practices, there is common principle ie 'Our mind getting calm down'. If we try maintaining silence for a day or two to achieve this objective, it may work perfect for only those days but doesnt last long. This is our personal experience too. We are currently thinking of this relation between these three aspects.

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Doing work as worship, what is meant by that?

We obviously have chosen work as basis for leading our lives. We are not sincere in faith. We admit we have many limitations. At the same time we have learnt the core objective of our life is to gain Sathvika Bhavalu. We spend half of our life time in work ie at work place. We have to bring in all these positive characters even at the work place. This can be achieved only if we treat our work as worship.

When we are hired, we are given with certain principles like do these tasks, meet the expected results, maintain the privacy of the company data etc.. For example, let us take a scenario, we are working in Baba Temple as an administrator assistant and are given with certain tasks.

We start the day one with some basic foundation (faith):

1. I got this opportunity with the help of Baba,Master garu.
2. It must be the best for me.
3. Every day I am sure Baba, Master garu makes me to do this job as per Their expectations.
4. As I am in Baba Temple, I can start the day with Paarayana which gives me needed strength to attend to my work.

In all these cases, what we find is Baba, Master gari presence with us.

Now for few days, I am asked to complete huge pending work as Guru purnima is coming up. This makes me to miss Paarayana and attending Arati in the morning. How can I perceive my work now? Everything is happening in the presence of Baba, Master garu in our thoughts. If I say I must do Paarayana, that means I am neglecting the same work given for the purpose of handling future objective of managing Guru Purnima.

These are the thoughts from the current state with our limitations. We can also think with sincerity and wake up couple of hours earlier and do Paarayana which will definitely make us complete the toughest task with ease. Our practice has not reached this stage yet. :( 

Let us come back to wherever we are ie to our city. Let us treat the work place also as Shirdi, Ongole temple and try our best not to gossip, not to deviate ourselves to anything else but concentrate in our work. When we come back home, our minds should be able to treat our home also as Shirdi or Ongole Temple.

We would like to share one of our experiences which is the basis for sharing our thoughts above.

We went to Shirdi few months back with an assumption that we can only get darshan for one arati as we stayed there on Thursday. But what we did is we kept on doing Paarayana, chanting Sai namam and followed the principles mentioned in Master gari Books and got an opportunity of many darshans of Baba. The last time we went for Baba darshan, literally we both felt sad as we got a feeling of leaving Baba and going away. We questioned ourselves why we dont perceive with the same devotion at our work place in our home town. Later on when we thought with the help of Master gari Books, we realized Baba always exists inside our thoughts. Our duty is to make our thoughts as pure as possible so that we stay with Baba, Master garu, Amma garu.

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Suppose I again give you the same alternatives that were posted earlier in the thread, would you do a job which gives more time for Parayana or one which gives less time? If work is worship, you need not bother !

Personally we choose the second option of having more time for our paarayana.

Hope we clarified about the devotion part related to work.

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2009, 12:16:31 AM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

UttamPallavi garu & Asterias garu, Jai Sai Master!!

Just wanted to tell you how happy I am, because Baba always shows us some ways as long as we keep our eyes on the perspective. Just before reading UttamPallavi gari post, I Was typing my doubts about the three words specified by Asterias garu, namely "Honesty, Clarity, Goal".

I was about to post them and I got the red words saying somebody already posted. So, I put my post on hold and read UttamPallavi's message, and it gave me some answers.

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We went to Shirdi few months back with an assumption that we can only get darshan for one arati as we stayed there on Thursday. But what we did is we kept on doing Paarayana, chanting Sai namam and followed the principles mentioned in Master gari Books and got an opportunity of many darshans of Baba. The last time we went for Baba darshan, literally we both felt sad as we got a feeling of leaving Baba and going away. We questioned ourselves why we dont perceive with the same devotion at our work place in our home town. Later on when we thought with the help of Master gari Books, we realized Baba always exists inside our thoughts. Our duty is to make our thoughts as pure as possible so that we stay with Baba, Master garu, Amma garu.

There are two aspects that I observed here. One can be applied to those three words of circle. And another can be directly attributed to Master's teachings.

1) The three words. Clarity is to know the existence of a discrepancy in our bhakti at various places. Namely, more bhakti at Shirdi and less at our homes and at work place. Honesty is to acknowledge that it is infact a discrepancy. Goal is to improve ourselves by increasing our bhakti at all places irrespective of its significance.

I was actually going to put forth my doubt of the order in which the three words can be applied. My thought was Clarity, Honesty, and Goal in that order. But also, my question was how to develop that clarity?????

2) UttamPallavi garu, I Am sure you already know this but still I wanted to bring to your notice. Masster garu already wrote in Sri Guru Charitra. The devotee, Tantuka asks Sri Guru why HE took him to Srisailam while HIS holy padukas itself was Srisailam for the devotee. So, Sri Guru explains that "Sthana Mahima" is important to develop bhakti and to realize the God. Maybe that's why we feel more pure and more in tune with Baba when we go to Shirdi or to a Sai Temple as compared to our homes and work places. With more practise and with more discipline, over time, perhaps, we will develop that with the help of Master.

Asterias garu, I am happy to tell you that these two points that I observed will help me a long way to realize many things in the next couple of months. I was feeling lost and I was praying for Master to show me a way. He showed me the way in the form of "ASTERIAS & UTTAMPALLAVI".

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2009, 06:09:37 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Any hint of "usefulness" in my posts, is only due to Babugaru :)

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2009, 02:17:05 PM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu..
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

UttamPallavi garu & Asterias garu, Jai Sai Master!!

Just wanted to tell you how happy I am, because Baba always shows us some ways as long as we keep our eyes on the perspective. Just before reading UttamPallavi gari post, I Was typing my doubts about the three words specified by Asterias garu, namely "Honesty, Clarity, Goal".


This is what I mentioned in my previous posts, that is when you exactly feel the same "feeling" or "undestanding" with which saiuttampallavi garu posted, you will feel happy.Thats what I meant
when I said "resonating" with the feeling of what Sai Master garu has mentioned in HIS books.

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We went to Shirdi few months back with an assumption that we can only get darshan for one arati as we stayed there on Thursday. But what we did is we kept on doing Paarayana, chanting Sai namam and followed the principles mentioned in Master gari Books and got an opportunity of many darshans of Baba. The last time we went for Baba darshan, literally we both felt sad as we got a feeling of leaving Baba and going away. We questioned ourselves why we dont perceive with the same devotion at our work place in our home town. Later on when we thought with the help of Master gari Books, we realized Baba always exists inside our thoughts. Our duty is to make our thoughts as pure as possible so that we stay with Baba, Master garu, Amma garu.

There are two aspects that I observed here. One can be applied to those three words of circle. And another can be directly attributed to Master's teachings.

1) The three words. Clarity is to know the existence of a discrepancy in our bhakti at various places. Namely, more bhakti at Shirdi and less at our homes and at work place. Honesty is to acknowledge that it is infact a discrepancy. Goal is to improve ourselves by increasing our bhakti at all places irrespective of its significance.


You have summarized it in a very nice way.
Thanks Asterias garu, Ananth garu and SaiUttamPallavi garu

Jai Sai Master!
గురుబోధయొక్క సారం గ్రహించి దాని ప్రకారం మన యోచనను, పనులను సంస్కరించుకొన్నపుడే మనం నిజంగా గురువును ఆశ్రయించినట్లు. అలాగాకుంటే అది మిథ్యాభక్తే.
Whatever we practice,becomes the swabhAvA.If control is practiced persistently that will become the swabhAvA.