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Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« on: March 27, 2007, 03:36:17 AM »
Jai Sai Master !!

Generally, you look at people from any walk of life & you will find two sets of people.

1) People who seem to have goal(s)
2) People who do not seem to have goal(s)

And generally again, people with goal(s) seem to be moving forward with conviction & intent with no confusion. And people with no goal(s) seem to be confused, less intent and have no conviction. And people with no goal(s) seem to be in majority.

And if one were to ask oneself which group one prefers to be identified with the answer will be obvious. And the fact of the matter is also obvious that one does not belong to the group which he aspires to be part of.

This brings us to the follwoing questions.

1) What makes an individual either have a goal or not have a goal?
2) Does an individual have a goal by design or does it have to be by default?
3) If one can have a goal by design then how does one do it?

Jai Sai Master !!


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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 01:27:13 AM »
Jai Sai Master !!

To begin with I asked my self "Do I have a goal for my life?" and thought better of it and rephrased my question - "Did I have a goal in my life?".

I did that because I reasoned that goal(s) can be grouped under
a)The Goal(s) of Life
b)Long term goal(s)
c)Short term goal(s)

And it would be comfortable and convenient for me to try and analyze and address the "Short term goal(s)" before I contemplate to dwell on "The Goal of Life".

Before I proceed, I must define 'Goal'.

I define it thus- A goal or objective is the reason behind your actions. If it is not the reason for your actions then it is not your goal, however strongly you wish it is !!

Jai Sai Master !!


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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 01:27:39 AM »
Jai Sai Master !!

Since every action has a reason (goal) we can probably generalize and say all of our actions are driven by our goal(s) - these goals can be several in number and diversified in nature.

If you start questioning your actions then you will reach the reason which drove that action. And you will end up with a list of goal(s).

Well, hold on !

Does it mean that my initial classification of people into ones that have goal(s) and the ones who do not seem to have goal(s), nullfied ??!!

Does it mean that all of us have goals but the nature of our goals define the nature of our actions??

Jai Sai Master !!

I am typing it out as my thoughts evolve, I hope it is not inconvenient.


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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 01:27:53 AM »
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Jai Sai Master !!

Does it mean that no action is possible without a goal - reason.

Is it KAARYA - KAARANA concept?

Jai Sai Master !!

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Jai Sai Master.

Yes, ALDU garu. KAARYA-KAARANA has exceptions. For those group of people who live as dead (Jeevacchavams). One may argue, still he has very short goals like relinquish materialistc things. So, there existance may be True or not, Leave them a side. Rest of us, go into the following classification.

Category 1.
The short goals in the above messages are driven for Bodily/Materialistic things. All of them are for personal satisfaction. In Master's words, 'One earns to buy an automatic toilet cleaner for his Grandson'.
All are too PERSONAL GOALS.

Category 2.
If one realizes/has interest in broader goal, in the sense, wants to contribute to the whole world, GROW ALONG WITH concept. We have to set a goal as small as monitory contribution,etc.etc. and upto getting Liberated(Be one with all). Then the game starts. How much we are oriented towards this matters the Category 1.

MOST of us set/act like : I definately need most of Category 1, then I will see How much I can in Category 2. Or we think Cat.1 then ONLY I can contribute to Cat.2; There is no other way I can.


Still, dont have a Do or Die GOAL.
I know, we all like to be in Category 2.
But we should not set an unreacheable target in Cat.2.
Just as we will not set something like, be Bill gates, in Cat 1.
Athyaasaki Pokoodadu. Arhathalekundaa Sanyasam teeskunnatlu.

IT ALSO DOES NOT Mean one should leave Materialism as Dwarakanath clearly said in the other post. It boils down to, Play the Game with No concerns. Do all set on the God.

To REALISE GOD IN EVERYTHING is the goal to set. Ok,
BUT Its going to be a LONG TERM GOAL as long as many lives.
MY GOAL IS TO MAKE IT AS SHORT AS Possible.
Is it valid.

Dwarakagaru says,
Pujya Master said,
'DONT WORRY ABOUT MUKTHI. I CAN GIVE IT JUST BY TOUCHING YOUR BACK. DO SAI SEVA'.
'Mukthi gurunchi alochinchakoi. Nee veepu meeda nokkithey mukthi vastundoi. Baba seva cheskuko'

WHAT SHOULD WE SET?

Jai Sai Master.



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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 01:28:09 AM »
Jai Sai Master.

The Questions and my views,

1.Why should one has a goal?

We are generally brought up in the fold of following others if not observing others. Finally we develop our LIKINGS which are hand picked by us from the pool of previous or on going actions of the people.
Whether it is Materialistic or Spiritual. (J.Krishna Murthy says, we are put in a cage of acquired ideology from elders or ancesters. We have to think completely out of it).

To get those things, We set them as GOALS. At the level of GOOD and BAD are same and nothing before god, they are same. A step below, Spiritual goals will lead to prosperity and do Good. Only following other actions leads to sorrow.

Who knows Vedas and all the tough stuff.
I think, Just Set Goals, Do something, Great people (of our belief) asked to do. 

2. By default:
Actions are not by default. To be good is what We constantly need to do.
Master says in a speech: Why we should do good, when entire animal kingdom is trying the other way(freely killing for food). It is not the correct answer to say, 'We should be good because we are humans'. Because we are not doing like that. I think, Goal is also same, it does n't come by default.


Jai Sai Master.


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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 01:28:23 AM »
Jai Sai Master !!

Thank you Srinivas garu for the inputs.

Just to sum up (as I perceive):

1) GOAL can be defined as the reason behind an action. And so, no action can be without a goal.

2) And therefore, GOAL is synonymous to KAARANA in the KAARYA-KAARANA concept.

Are you with me on these two aspects.

Jai Sai Master !!


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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 01:28:35 AM »
Jai Sai Master !!

In other words - GOAL is the reason behind one's actions.

Jai Sai Master !!

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2007, 01:28:56 AM »
Jai Sai Master!!

This is a wonderful thread!

Here is my initial thoughts on this..

As you said, there are long term goals, which usually drive the short term goals which drive actions.. The fact that majority doesnt have a long term goal for "Life" is due to the fact that one doesnt know what life is. One lives life without thinking about life itself, that is, one thinks about what kind of life he wants but not about what kind of life he has.

If one reasons well, one should end up with a distinct desire to have a good goal! Then the search should begin as to what goal one should have.. Once that is known, then one would look around for options which would make him closer to the goal by the minute..

This is an ideal start to spirituality. If one really understands one's goal in life, and its value, then there should be no problem in reaching it. As Master points out in the book "Edi Nijam?", the first step is to identify the goal and to understand its value. That alone gives the required motivation.

Now, to understand one's goal, the first question is, what do we want and why do we want it. Once we start delving deeply into this question, we all, usually end up at the conclusion that what we want is happyness and joy and love. If one doesnt end up with this answer, then one can be considered a lunatic, if not a seriously perverted soul.

This craving for happiness and joy and love is what drives humanity. From this craving arise all the different aspects of culture and civics, from which every thing else, like social systems, governments, religions, technology and so on arise.

Here is the catch. If every one wants Happiness, can they define it? Can I define the happiness that I want? The answer is yes and no. Yes because we have tasted it.. and No because we are not "Currently" tasting it! (If we are currently tasting it, then there wont be any craving for it!)

But lets not jump into theories.. lets analize what we want. I, if I start thinking, want happiness, sustainance and respect from people around me. I want security(in terms of lasting sustainance and happiness) in life along with happiness.

Isnt this what majority wants?? If so, what are the means to achieve it?

Jai Sai Master!
Once again, an awsome thread! Thanks!



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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2007, 01:29:06 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

As my 500th post, I thought of reviving this old thread again, since I love the discussion in this.

Lets continue from where its finished ...



lets analize what we want. I, if I start thinking, want happiness, sustainance and respect from people around me. I want security(in terms of lasting sustainance and happiness) in life along with happiness.

Isnt this what majority wants?? If so, what are the means to achieve it?

Jai Sai Master!



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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2007, 01:29:20 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Great Thread indeed!! Learnt a lot about goals. I would like to add a small point to this. Both the goals and the happiness which we get are closely bound (and tightly bound too) by Master's words "Unna daanitho asantrupti....leni denikosamo tapana". Is it true if I say that in English? "Dissatisfaction with what we have .... and .....crazy obssession with what we want".

My point is only materialistically speaking. Having said that, we all will come to a point, if not in this janma, atleast in the next thousands, where, we will search for a deeper meaning of life, deeper and richer goal of life, like Srinivas garu has put in beautiful terms!!

So, goals are set under 2 circumstances. 1) like it is already discussed, category 1, useful only to us, and the happiness of achievement of that goal is temporary, and 2) like category 2...we ask deeper questions, and then set goals accordingly, we try (unconsciously) to act in tandem with nature, working for everybody instead of ourselves.

So, the above Master's words, if expanded a little (Ref: Leelamrutam) we will reach a point, where, we will ask, "this is not IT!!" "This is not the goal of life". That's the real start of our journey.

But for most of us, the biggest question is "WHEN?"

Jai Sai Master!!

Ananth

PS: Read a good line from one of the philosophical books which starts with.." THE WORLD REJOICES WHEN YOU COME INTO THIS WORLD CRYING...DO THINGS IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE WORLD CRIES..WHEN YOU LEAVE THIS WORLD SMILING".................The author specifies it as "A Sanscrit Saying"



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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2007, 01:29:32 AM »
Jai Sai Master!


"Goal" is what gives us a direction and a motivation. The nature of "life" is a "Goal Oriented Being".. That is, all life exists only based on goals. Evolution is the Goal of the whole cycle of Life. Singlecelled life developing into humans is driven in a particular direction.. If we analyze, we can find "which way" or "where to" it is developing.

Goal is also something that gives us direction in every day actions. We want to Go Some where. That makes us stand up and walk and take a bus and so on.

Similarly, a Goal in life is what gives us purpose to live. Most of us have very erratic or no life goal at all. We dont have a goal in life.. Thats why, many of us dont have the "Purpose" in life.

Right? That is the Goal I am trying to discuss.. What is the purpose of our life?

Why?

How to reach it?

Jai Sai Master!



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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2007, 01:29:47 AM »
Bodily ego ?I? always feels ?I did? & ?I am doing?.......but it is not the truth??.

Whatever this body has to do and whatever the experiences it has to pass through are already decided when it came into existence?..

The bodily action, be it good or bad....or whatever it may be......the reason is EESWARA.....

But this bodily ego ?I? feels ?I did? & ?I am doing? (Because of ?MAYA (or) Ignorance?)

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Goal for any bodily ego should be

?just transcend this Maya and realize the true self???it may not be as easy as saying this in 5 English words??

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in this process, initially, the goal should be 'to become mere witness to the bodily actions'

leave aside the KARTHRUTHVA BHAVA (?I did? & ?I am doing?) & become mere witness to the bodily actions?..

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One soul with bodily consciousness asked
?With out saying ?I?, the worldly actions cannot be done??

Another soul 'Bhagavan' which is self realised and appears to have bodily consciousness replied

Perform the worldly actions by saying ?I? ?I did? ?I am doing?
But have that inner feeling that
?you are not doing anything?
"you means the atman"

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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2007, 01:30:02 AM »
Dwarakanathgaru

The purpose of life according to all the saints is to attain the Ultimate Truth, become one with the Supreme Being.

For that the path to follow is that of righteousness or Dharma.

Being righteous I have found personally gives an immense sense of satisfaction which no material possession can ever give.

Jai Sai Master!



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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2007, 01:30:18 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

Dear Babugaru here are my views on the above topic.

Almost all our actions are based on the want of happiness. Happiness is what drives us to do things. However we may or may not get happiness from the things that we do. When i refer to happiness it includes peace and satisfaction too.

In short these are the reasons for any of our actions or the goals that we set. Hardly anyone would keep a goal that does not lead to such end results. However we err [ i.e the end result is not always happiness ] because we don't understand things completely. Our day to day lives are the very proof that we are not just content with what we have or what we get. In Master's words "We want certain things that we think will give us happiness, however by the time we get it we dont want it for it is not what we thought it is". The reason for such a situation is that we are not what we think ourselves to be ( Master's words ).

Day after day we give prominence to what others are doing materialistically, hoping that we get the same. Deep in our hearts we are not sure whether that will give us happiness or not. But we still like the sheep follow, sheep jump philosophy. The phrase " The higher they are , the harder they fall", is very apt for the aspirer of the materialistic things.

On some amount of thought we can appreciate [ may not experience it ] that happiness cant be in the objects that we aspire for.

Very lamely speaking, for me the purpose of life is to attain ever lasting happiness [ bliss ]. Fortunately or unfortunately materialism does not promise the happiness that we are seeking, as shown by the above discussion.

Simply speaking, no friction internally and externally is the only way to acheive happiness.

Jai Sai Master!



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Re: Goal of Life - Thinking aloud
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2009, 07:51:30 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

This topic is ancient ! .. Yet always current!

Without having done much introspection or investigation, just by reading Mastergaru's books, most of us have blindly come to a conclusion that all that we want in life is peace and happiness.

I say this because, its easy to say it than to think it out. IMO, even Mastergaru says to the same effect, that most of us dont realize that what we are doing is in essence to get peace and happiness (satisfaction). This I think is one of the reasons that we are not able to put the value of this teaching into our daily materialistic lives.

Also, lets say that we have understood a certain level that position, power, job, money will not give us the kind of happiness as is promised by spirituality, then what next ?

Should we jump into spirituality (and what do we mean by that - Spirituality has been defined earlier in this forum as harmonious living etc etc - but how does it start ? ) with whatever weak understanding we have of it? Most of the times we think clearly, are the times of great distress, when we dont get what we want, or we are worried.

During these times, we make resolves like, "I am not going to repeat this", "I am going to do this from now on" etc etc. Most of the times,these turn out like our new year resolutions - which keep getting renewed on Jan 1st, Ugadi, Mastergaru's bday etc etc !!

Atleast Sai bandhus have got a good medium. We have books written by Mastergaru. So we read them. We re read them. And then what ? We never bother to practice them. The problem is that atleast some of us dont know that we have to put it into practice  (Parayana is confined to only 1-2 hours and not supposed to be practiced!!) or we usually want to practice is far above our level, which again means that we dont know our own level. Finally even spirituality becomes materialism. Books turn into dull routine, so we look for answers - we find answers only to be caught in questions.

Its also very easy to say that we have improved by reading Mastergaru's books or by His sannidhi. But have we really ?? I think we have somehow tried to suppress our bad qualities by some other means, but have by no means really overcome them.


What Mastergaru has written in His books is of supreme value. He talks about spirituality very very holistically. There is no other way one can really put it. In His books we find the synthesis, we find harmony, we find wisdom ( not us - but those who really READ it - because thats what they say!). He has written life histories of Mahatmas, He has told us how to conduct our daily life, how to do pooja, how to meditate, how to prove the existence of god, how to realize god and finally how to be humble despite being the GREATEST. But do our actions or our words reflect what Mastergaru says???

And at the end of it we talk about goal, life and what not !

This is the irony I feel most of us would have realized in our own daily lives. The dichotomy - the clear separation between what we read during Parayana and what we do outside it.

So what should we people do? What should we immediately do so as to set the picture right (at least by the end of certain duration of time) ?

Jai Sai Master !
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