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mmsurya

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sir,

పాలు నీళ్ళలో కలిపితే నీళ్ళు ఎలా తెల్లగా మారతాయో, పంచదార నీళ్ళలో కలిపితే ఎలా తియ్యగా మారతాయో
నా మనసు కూడా పారాయణ ద్వారా , మాస్టర్ గారి ప్రవచనాలు, శివానందమూర్తి గారి మన-మహర్షులు ప్రవచనాలు, K. పార్వతీ కుమార్ గారి నచికేతోపాఖ్యాన ప్రసంగం వంటివి,  EK గారి నారద భక్తి సూత్రాల ప్రవచనాలు వినటం ద్వారా ధర్మ మార్గం , భక్తిమార్గం పడుతుందని పట్టాలని ఎంత ప్రయత్నించినా అది నీళ్ళలో పోసిన నూనె లాగా, కిరోసిన్ లో పోసిన పంచదార లాగా ఏమీ కలవటం లేదు కరగటం లేదు.

The mind seems to be in right path for a few days .. may be week or two and then it all suddenly vanishes.. all the teachings, the feelings of devotion, the inclination and the desire to lead a life of sadhana.. they all just vanish..

It's just not happening.

It takes a few more weeks to start all over again.

It feels praying for my idealized qualities like sradha, saburi, bhakti is futile.
It appears that the only solace is in reducing my expectations about myself..  why not pray for something that truly is important to me, something that really motivates me such as money, property, promotion, financial security, fame etc.. At least my prayers are sincere and are aligned to my present state..

But I am not sure if it is the right approach.
I am trying to find a common ground between my present-state  and the future I want.

Would you please advise something

Jai sai master



Dwarakanath

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Jai Sai Master!

Dearest Suryagaru,

I can understand your predicament.

The first thought I got was, what if your other prayers (like for money, etc.) also end up being futile? Then would you stop praying?

Your situation is more psychological to you and real to you than what it really is. Is your 'prayer' for devotion, etc., seperate and different from devotion? Is not a prayer a manifestation of prayer?

Or is devotion, bhakti, etc., are seperate to prayer? Please do think about it.

In other words, the point I am thinking is that life should be the prayer to the lord, right? How do we get that? By praying for half an hour in a day, can we expect a quick and miraculous effect that the entire life becomes His? If it does become so, then are we able to take it? What about our 'truer' feelings for money, etc.?

I think what would really help you is reading 'pari-prasna' and 'matam enduku' and to re-think the whole spirituality and life and their importance. That would give you better impetus into what you should do, that is what I feel.

I am not familiar with Parvati Kumar's speeches, nor with Sivananda Murtigari speeches. So, really cannot suggest you anything regarding them.

My prayer to the One who is All to give you the right spirit and direction as you are His anyways.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Jai Sai Master!

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It feels praying for my idealized qualities like sradha, saburi, bhakti is futile.
Not praying for them is most certainly futile!! A constant, stable attempt at re-forming one's own self image and world image, based on sound study of Mahatmas' lives and teachings and in the light of the Essence of such teaching, and using every tool, both psychological, social as well as personal, to transform oneself, slowly but surely towards such idealized qualities, is the only way that works.

if you look at the teachings of Masters, you will notice that it starts with three starting points, which seem to need simultaneous application.
1. Study and Contemplation on the divine qualities of the Lord in His glorious manifestations(Sravana and Manana) as well as about the nature of Nature or Aatmavichaara, etc.
2. Steady and stable life-style and practices (Yama and Niyama, as well as Nitya Karma)
3. Purposeful and thoughtful conscious approach to each aspect of living (Viveka and Vairagya)

Along with these, it is enjoined that one should have good company as much as possible.

These four along with prayer are what make it all come together for the transformation of the person. Any path, no path, these four are what works. There is no other way (these four are named differently in different teachings, thats all. Even in the teachings of J.Krishnamurti, one can see these four starkly).

Think about that! See which one of those four you need to work on and improve. That is how I would approach your predicament, to the extent that I understand it.

Jai Sai Master!

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sir,
 

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three starting points, which seem to need simultaneous application.
Really thank you very much.Full and simultaneous application is what is missing and I have  a lot to do to on that front.

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the entire life becomes His? If it does become so, then are we able to take it?
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Very true. This thought used to occur to me but I brushed it away.  (A few years ago, in a similar liine of thought, I wondered if suppose Baba really accepts to live in our houses , starts advising us, and starts taking all the naivedyas, how many of the devotees will be able to accept his direct presence? Can a pas-time bhakta really want to be a full time servant and accept Baba as the Lord-of-his-house? How many will really follow his instructions? How many will continue to offer him maha-naivedyas etc... may be we would ask him to adjust with pea nuts or bananas)

Yes, I have to confess. It has been an on-and-off desire fo spirtuality. But when it is there it is true.

Jai Sai master
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I think of the time you saved me.
I think of the time you answered my prayers.
I think of your Leelas.
I think over the way you took care of the devotees.
And when I feel Your Avyaja karuna in those actions,
the light of Bhakti lits the cold, hardened candle of my mind.
I feel I am about to melt in that warmth and light
I feel I will melt and merge in You and lose my identity.
And then all of a sudden, in a moment's notice.
The winds of the world blow it off.

And I am back into the darkness
Remain hardened
Waiting for your touch, for days and days.
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 What makes me do what I do
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 What makes me think of You and what makes  me forget you.
 I want the money and position, for they appear to give me success and fulfllment and security
 I indulge in things and succumb to the temptations, for they are very strong.
 And I think of You later, sometimes because of your Leelas.
 Sometimes because of fear-of-death, and the here-after.
 
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 I can't come to You once and for all.
 Nor can I go away far.
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 Between You and me,who is greater?

 You came as tweleve jyotir lingas
 Took nine avatars
 time and again, You come as avudhutas
 And still You could not win over me.

 I ensured to protected myself.
 Neither mukti, nor bhakti.
 I defeated you, always. 
 It's my victory. And I cry over it.

 
  They say You are omniscent and omnipotent.
  I am not ready to believe.
  So far You have been losing.
  When You defeat me,
  When I say Dasoham - once and for all
  then will I accept that line.
  The fight is on.
 


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Jai Sai Master!

Yes, I have to confess. It has been an on-and-off desire fo spirtuality. But when it is there it is true.

Babu Gariki,Surya Gariki ee thread follow avutunna Devotees ki,Guru Bandhulaku; Saadara Pranaamamulu!

I was reading Acharya Amruta Lekhavali.
Sai Master has correctly described this state on page 77.
May be you can throw more light after reading it again.
Jai SAI MASTER!!

G.Sudhakar

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I suggest to read purusha suukta rahasyamu by mastergaaru