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The Vision of Aryan Glory - Sri Ananthacharyula vari books
« on: December 24, 2015, 05:01:44 PM »
Jai Sai Master!!!

From lot of days I was searching and praying for the glorious book The Vision of Aryan Glory written by the seer and rishi Sri Ekkirala Ananthacharya.

And finally the day has come, on which I got this book, by the divine grace of the Master.

You can download this in the below link of TTD devasthanams.
http://ebooks.tirumala.org/Product/?ID=1855

By the way, if anyone has his other books such as Veda and Ayur-Veda, Rasayana treatment, Suparna etc.,

Please help me in getting those precious books.
Jai Sai Master!!

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2016, 04:09:58 PM »
A typical purva mimaamsa book, as it appears to me. It has no guarantee or puuchee as mentioned by master gaaru in paakalapaaTi guruvugaari charitra. uttaravaada is also called puuchee - guarantee.

I am not criticising in case you understand purva mimamsa. It is also essential but has limitations is what I mean as proved by history. Ref: Sankara bhagavadpaada vs mandana misra

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2016, 05:06:33 PM »
The main problem with purva mimamsa as put in this book and as practiced by many is, lack of sadguru.

In case anybody get inspired by this book and want to mistakenly revive the so called lost vedic culture must read master gaari purusha suukta "rahasyamu" to know the true vedic meaning.  In Leelaamrutamu also it is mentioned, the real meaning of veda is revealed only to those who are having eligibility. Master gaaru has given the real meaning in purusha suukta rahasyamu.

Vedic way of life is definitely a much sought after and appealing. But its essence is sadguru. How many of the so called vedic pandits out there tell this truth, tell me?

This book criticizes budhism and indirectly sankara bhagavadpaada. In sadguru both unite. This is the secret.

Budhism is more deeper than people think they know. It was not started by budha. I also for many days criticized budhism (see postings under vedamaathadharmamu in this forum). But it is difficult to understand the oneness of hinduism and budhism (budhism is basis for christianity(=>islam) also). As mentioned in shirdi saayi haaratulu, baabaa removed the difference of hindu x muslim by showing aatma tatwa in all.

But it does not mean we need to follow budhism or its offshoots- islam/christianity. It is equal to changing father as mentioned in leelaamruthamu.

There are also many hidden things about hinduism. The vedic way of living as learnt from a sadguru is definitely needed, but not devised by our own mind by reading incomplete books or by simply thinking/brooding over vedic words.

With all my experience I can definitely say what sadguru says is vedic dharma. Void of sadguru is avaidika dharma. Because God is greater than vedaas or its sRushTi (Ref: naasadeeya suukta + commentary on it by maaster gaaru in speeches)
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 03:20:55 PM »
Jai Sai Master!!

Sudhakar garu,

Sorry for the delay in reply!! Naaku sambandhinchinantha varaku, Ananthacharyula varu anthati varu raasina book lo kaneesam nerchukotaniki 4 manchi vishayalu undava....

adhi chalu naaku.

Again it all depends on us how do we take things.

As Master garu says "Ano bhadrah kratavoyantu viswataha" - Uttamamaina bhavalu maku anni dikkula nundi labhinchugaaka.
Jai Sai Master!!

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 05:46:43 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

I have only read till page 41 of this book. I have this weakness of getting overwhelmed by profound thought so much so that i cannot continue easily. What ever written till page 41 just knocked my socks off. It is an explanation of what is written in Sai Natha Prabothamritam, Matam Enduku and Vignaana Veechikalu. It is a vision, of the glory of Vedic Wisdom, which shines forth through the teachings of Baba and Master.
Sudhakargaru's point that Sadguru is not mentioned prominently is not felt by me. Constant reminders of Sri Krishna and Bhagavatgita through out the text imply implicitly the divine guidance present and required. The greatness of Ananthacharya is the sublime place given to the Rishis, while the ultimate place being given to the Lord, the Teacher, in Sri Krishna, is as beautiful as it can ever get. Neither is demeaned in the text, and that is simply masterful.
The lack of availability of texts on Buddhism, and the misrepresentation of Buddhism in those books that were available during Ananthacharya's time are evident in his writing. As is common, people's perception of Buddhism is what is challenged in the text, and not Buddhism as taught by Buddha Himself.

Regarding buddhism being before Buddha or not, it is completely besides the point.  Gravity existed before newton mentioned it. But we are able to harness it only after Newton mentioned it (in terms of sending satellites, etc.) Buddha taught it, and it made Mahatmas.

The value of modern science, as given in the book, is sublime, and almost verbatim to what I feel regarding that.

I find the book energizing and encouraging.

What happens is that when people read about spirituality, etc., there is a tendency to negate 'mundane life' to the background, relegating it to something futile. Vedic Wisdom, Baba's Teachings and Master's teachings, all bring it back to its own place. And modern science helps us see that glory all the more. And this book stays firmly in that beautiful tradition of perennial wisdom.

It does not seem to be to be just a poorva meemamsa book at all, but a true Vedantic literature. With its clarion call remind us that 'Sarvam Khalvidam Bramha', all of this is verily divine, each action of life is given the highest value it deserves in the grand cosmic scheme.

This is integral to Master's teachings, and that point is evident in the 'acknowledgements' written by Master for His books.

Thats what I feel about it so far. May be i can read farther than the 41st page sooner or later, but so far so so so good!

Jai Sai Master!!

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 02:17:58 PM »
"Vedic way of life is definitely a much sought after and appealing. But its essence is sadguru. "

I had made this point previously and still there in my previous post (edited and removed ref to SriGurucharitra sentence (anybody who refers SriGurucharitra sentences during discussion, definitely, has not understood it) and some stuff which should not be discussed in public like the samkhya sastra etc., )

So, I am not against vedic way of living. But consider the following things..(without sadguru, if we follow vedic way of living):

1.  daksha yagna: after reviving daksha prajapati, Siva says: "you have tried to attain moksha with yajnayaagaadi karma alone. This is the reason why I had to destroy your yagna"

2. bhagavat saakshaatkaara: If one gets bhagavat saakshaatkaara, still there is no use. There are many instances in history about this point. (vithal bhakti stories, leelamRthamu humayuun incident). You need a sadguru.

3. Suppose people start following vedic way of living as understood by them. What happens next? Again country will go into invaders hands. Because the reason why India went into foreigners' rule was given in leelamRuthamu: loosing humanity over religious differences.

4. In vedas, there is a mantra: "manurbhava" meaning become human first. Then only we can understand the heart of veda.

5. These days it has become a fashion to use the word change. In leelamRthamu master garu has given somethings which do not change. One of them is human values.

6. What happens when all the worldly problems of all people are solved? They will fight over religion. -> This is told by master gaaru in speeches.

The need of the hour is to spread the religious harmony as taught by Master gaaru, Baabaa and all other genuine mahaatmaas.

There are several more even important things but I can not share them in this setting. But suffice it to say, master gaaru has told everything.

7. Vedas teach us "akartRtwa bhaava". But if we start practicing vedic rituals the way people understand (purva mimaamsa method), then it is bound to produce kartrutwa bhaava, which goes against vedas. Answer me this before talking anything about vedas: when doing action, are we not thinking "I am doing" even when the breathing is also not done by us?


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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2016, 01:13:00 PM »
+ not to speak of the maneehsa pamchakamu ref by Master gaaru several times including in the meeting with Sri Kamchi aachaarya..

btw, in the muulamu (base text), no where we can find the reference to it as lord Siva. Actually dogs are always be with datta swaami and in datta puraanamu also we see Him appearing in such form multiple times..So evidently it is lord dattatreya who gave darSanamu to aadi Samkaraachaarya..

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2016, 03:03:28 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Three things here.

First, there is nothing wrong with what you wrote Sudhakargaru, except that following Sadguru is an integral part of Vedic way of life. So, following Vedic life without sadguru is more or less an impossibility. So, following Vedic Life itself means following Sadguru. Sadguru is He who is the Teacher across time and space. He is the Parashara, Vasishta and Vyasa and countless other Gurus. And Vedic Life is one prescribed by the Guru Himself. So, in other words, what you are saying is, not following Vedic life is bad.

Secondly, there are many of us who do jobs, have families, write posts on forums irrespective of whether Sadguru told us or not. In other words, we already have a 'life' without a Sadguru. What to do? Vedic vision shows the way to prepare ourselves to be eligible to follow Sadguru. So, again, the choice is really not about Vedic Life with Sadguru and without Sadguru. The choice we have to make is between having a Vedic Life or having a useless life. Hence that book is critical.

Thirdly, people who follow Vedic life never do what you mentioned as problems, like fighting over religion, etc. Its only those who do not understand Vedic Life that have a problem both with religions and with life. That is the purport of the book.

On all three counts, therefore, although I do not disagree with the spirit of what you wrote, I sincerely think that it is a superb book, much needed in understanding the Vision of the Seers, which is the Vision of the Sadguru Himself.

On the seventh point, I feel you have completely mis-understood akartrutva bhava. Consider this. 10 people are carrying the palanquin of Lord Venkatesa ( or Baba). I am one of them. Now, am I carrying it or not? If I say I am not, then is it correct for me to move away leaving the pallaki? Or is it correct to have a 'participatory' view, where we understand that the pallaki is being carried, and we too are a part of that Seva. Its the participatory spirit that all rituals prescribe and that is beautifully taught in this book (infact, that is the main explanation of the last part of the book).
By your argument, when you say "follow Sadguru" is there not Kartritva bhavana in feeling 'I am following the Guru'??
Even Bhagavan Ramana and Sai Baba Himself said 'do this' or 'do that'. Do not those teachings create Kartrutva bhava by your logic?

Every action in nature happens, along with our own participation in it. Understanding that is Akartrutva Bhaava. Understanding the participatory nature without shunning it in the name of philosophies is the essence of Vedic thought. And that is given by the book.
Hence, even to clear your question in point number seven, studying that book is essential.

Then there is another aspect. The confusion between cause and effect. Attaining the state where Akartrutva Bhaava happens is a result of DOING a lot of things (as expounded by Baba and Master Himself.. Do parayana, Do seva, etc.) Doing Vedic Rituals properly is the Cause and Akartrutva Bhava state is a result. It is very common in nature where the cause and effect are opposites. You bury a seed, but the plant grows up! You dig a pit first to lay foundations so that the house can raise up above ground level!! Questioning action based on its opposite result is just a mis-understanding. Its like some one asking, "If you want to build a house, why are you digging a pit?" It just comes from not understanding the process.

Jai Sai Master!

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2016, 07:03:13 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

After many many days very happy to see the activity on our beloved saimasterforums.

Happy VijayaDasami everyone. :)

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 08:39:20 PM »
It is good you have come so far. The gist can be told in 1 sentence from your post:  "You bury a seed, but the plant grows up!"

This is what is called karma. What sastraas say is, go a bit further more this way and you will land up here:  God does not exist.

Take a lateral approach and start questioning (like say what is the root / muulamu for karma) instead of doing karma, you will end up here:

తనుహృద్భాషల సఖ్యమున్ శ్రవణమున్ దాసత్వమున్ వందనా
ర్చనముల్ సేవయు నాత్మలో నెఱుకయున్ సంకీర్తనల్ చింతనం
బను నీ తొమ్మిది భక్తి మార్గముల సర్వాత్మున్ హరి న్నమ్మి స
జ్జనుఁ డై యుండుట భద్ర మంచుఁ దలతున్ సత్యంబు దైత్యోత్తమా!

It is interesting to note many daityaas including RaavaNa were very great followers of so called vedic life. Master gaaru also mentioned it (about Ravana) saying: Does not vedas say God is there everywhere (inside, outside) then why did he do like that? Real vedic life is different from what apparently people think. What is vedic life: this itself is different discussion. Purusha suukta rahasyamu, pariprasna (about swami samartha, vedic mantras (the mantra referred by master gaaru is actually the last mantra of Sree krushna yajurvveda)) are some places master gaaru has directly explained.

I may take line by line and give reply but the above stuff has the essence. In reality what learned say is this:

karma is nothing in reality

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As mother madaalasa says to alarka or milarepa says: the first duty is to find sadguru.

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I agree with your first point: even if we take sadguru as some part of vedic life, it reflects what I am saying as it takes care eventually.

Coming to akartrutwa bhaava: You were trying to explain it in terms of karma. It is like explaining many dimensional entity in fewer dimensions. I can only say to get clear understanding one needs experience. Some times mere disussion or thinking will not give insights as the required budhi is not there with us (mamda buddhi means "maam dEha buddhi": I am this body->actions based on this thought. (buddhi karmaanusaarini))

"Do not those teachings create Kartrutva bhava by your logic?"
No. Remember in prabodhamruthamu about paraadheenatwamu, aaTalu, nihkaama karma. When you are doing them, still you can think these are being done by Him. The secret here is, you are having the devotion more / He is in your thoughts more than your thought of "I am doing". 

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Here I will give the most impotant part of the reply I wanted to give based on bhagavadgeeta:

We are thinking we are this body and always thinking in the background, "I will die, I will die". Unless clinging to this illusion is not left by us, He can not be seen nor there be any real devotion. In all the great devotees' life histories this is a sublime thing. In the 2nd chapter of Gita, Bhagavan proves there is no death to I. I am jnaana swaruupi. When this body is lost, what happens? Again another body comes..just so much only right?? For whatever task I have come into this world, till it is finished, that krishna paramaatma staying in the heart as aatma ruupa fulfills it - so thinking we need to step with perseverance and belief - this is called 'tat' తత్

He who has no 'gu'Na and  no 'ru'uupa is there in me and if He is not there  these limbs will not work - that purushottama is there in me and making me to do it..that muulaviraaT - 1 person is there..He is in me. He has no guna and no ruupa. So thinking understanding His presence. By perseverance and belief - realizing in the self..

The above is the way..based on reasoning of this kind our elders did not care for death and was able to achieve great devotion.

I tell again: As long as the thought "I will die" is there so long He can not be seen. So long real devotion will be nil. By understanding what is mentioned in sankhya yoga, 2nd chapter in gita, when one understands He - without attribute or form - is there in me and making me move and live in His constant rememberence will understand the true spirit of devotion and all the remaining stemming from it.

To conclude I want to say this:

"ఆకాశం నుండి పడే వర్షపునీరు నదులు, బావులలోని నీరు భగవంతుడిచ్చినదే గదా! అది దివ్యమైనదన్న గుర్తు మనకు లేకపోవడం వల్లనే అది సామన్యమైన నీరులా ప్రవర్తిస్తుంది. అది దివ్యమైనదని గుర్తుంచుకొనడమే సాధనంతా. అపుడు మన అజ్ఞానమనే పొర మన కండ్లపై నుండి తొలగి మనకు వాటి దివ్యత్వమనుభవమవుతుంది. ఇదే నిజమైన ఆధ్యాత్మికత."

- ఆచార్య శ్రీ ఎక్కిరాల భరద్వాజ గారి 'పరిప్రశ్న', 136

Is the above not the goal / meaning of the first mantra of sandhyaa vandana (..uSateeriva maataraha..) ?

But has anybody taught vedas this way??

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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2016, 09:12:22 PM »
Jai Sai Master!!

Sudhakar garu,

Sorry for the delay in reply!! Naaku sambandhinchinantha varaku, Ananthacharyula varu anthati varu raasina book lo kaneesam nerchukotaniki 4 manchi vishayalu undava....

adhi chalu naaku.

Again it all depends on us how do we take things.

As Master garu says "Ano bhadrah kratavoyantu viswataha" - Uttamamaina bhavalu maku anni dikkula nundi labhinchugaaka.

I can show a quote from Master gaaru which asks us to be careful also. But I want to go soft.

You may want to refer "Randomized double blind test" in modern medicine. It is the reason for its success, not anti biotics nor vaccines.

Same thing is required here and similar is the last thing master gaaru has said in prabodhaamruthamu.


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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2016, 09:16:21 PM »
In fact I suggest to apply principles from "Randomized double blind test" for this forum and see its results.

What I mean, everybody logs in as single user, say, "jigjnaasuvu". All the posts will be bearing only this name. The contributor of the post or reply is never revealed. We judge only by the merit of the post than who has posted it.

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2016, 09:22:19 PM »
technical information:
I did it twice by modifying mybb forum software's settings and default scripts. I guess must be possible with SMF also, just in case wanted to do.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2016, 10:08:02 PM »
"many of us who do jobs"

జన్మకర్మనివారకమ్ రుచిపూరకమ్ భవతారకమ్
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ప్రాతరేవహి మానసామ్తర్భావయే సద్గురుపాదుకామ్

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2016, 10:11:41 PM »
dEvataas are also bound by karma. sadguru only can do nivaaraNa.

According to one meaning:

karma is - I am doing
kriya - akartRtwa bhaavana