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Asterias

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Should we post .....
« on: March 10, 2008, 06:39:15 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

I was having a little thought a few days back.

I have been seeing a lot of activity on this forum and a lot of stuff is being posted freely from other websites and books on other saints. My question is that how correct it is ? Mastergaru s teaching is universal but are we in a position to see the underlying unity in what other's say? Not just that it also raises the issue of copyright.

I would like SaiMasterForums_Team to clarify its stand on this ...


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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 07:43:27 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dear Saibandhoos,

Eventhough the sayings and quotes of other mahatmas might be correct, we have many many quotes from saimaster's teachings. Its good to have an indepth view and repeated visit to Saimaster teachings as they also cover each and every aspect of spirituality.

As Pujya Mastergaru has talked about Sri Ramana maharshi apart from Shirdi Saibaba, as purna parabrahma avataras, we should restrict ourselves to these two mahatmas' quotes, other than our Pujya Mastergaru's sayings and other mahatmas about whom he wrote.

Babugaru is anyway introducing the concepts of other mahatmas as and when required to us,so we dont need to run towards others.

Also please don't quote copyrighted materials from other websites. Let us therefore restrict to Master's teachings, his writings and his lifestyle. By the grace of Ammagaru, we now have this online Satsang. Let us keep it as pure as possible. There are so many things we can learn from Master's teachings themselves.
And he did write about all the things that we need to know. So, Master's teachings, books and speeches,his lifestyle and Sri Ramana Maharshi's teachings are more than sufficient for us to discuss and learn from.

As a part of Saimaster Online Satsang, We request all to adhere to this understanding.

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« Last Edit: March 13, 2008, 08:22:30 PM by SAIMASTERFORUMS_Team »

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 09:17:18 PM »
Jai Sai Master!!!

SaiMasterForums_Team,

Can we put this message easily available to the new comers...may be in the introductory posts...?
Just a suggestion.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 01:05:02 AM »
I agree with raghuram garu. This would avoid some confusion I think....

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 06:08:25 AM »
Jai Sai Master !

It already seems to have been made a sticky :)

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2008, 11:20:34 AM »
Jai Sai Master!!

The best way is to cite the links to the websites. Then it will not be copyright violation.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2008, 10:58:37 AM »
Ome Sai Sri Sai Jai Jai Sai !

Dear Saimaster Team,

 This is the way to meet and share the feelings to live as good. Is it the problem to take godd thing from other sites. my feeling is if it is good we can take from any place.

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2008, 04:54:43 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

If it is Good, we can LEARN from any place. And then point others to THAT place.. :)

Otherwise, just like money, it becomes "stolen" and thus doesnt give any good result. Please read "pariprasna" for Master's answer to this question, when asked regarding Aarati Casettes.

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2011, 09:45:34 AM »
Jai SaiMaster!
                   In 'Mahatmula Muddubiddadu'  Master  says '' we should not be restricted to any one theory. that is we should not stick to  only one theory. As told by a well known person,
                                     
                   manchi unte mike lo cheppu, chedu unte chevilo cheppu :)....  tell good things in mike and bad things in the ear.   then should we be restricted? By doing that only some religions are thought as mean...     Dharma shaastras say that  'baalaadapi subhaashitham'...  that is if a good thing is told by small kid, it should be agreed.  Iam a newbie, and forgive me if anything said wrong. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 03:54:34 PM »
Jai Sai Ram
Jai Sai Master
In pariprasna, Master has given a perfect answer to the question. Please go through it.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2012, 02:40:32 PM »
I smiled a bit reading the phrase copyrighted quotes. When Rama Krishna Parama hamsa Sai Baba or Ramana Maharshi or any other mahatma said anything they intended for the entire world to listen up. I do not think they either patented or copy righted it; if someone says that "this quote is copyrighted and it belongs to our website" we should only pity them because they completed misunderstood the underlying reason they are working.
If you see Kamakoti.org, or websites of Ramakrishna mission they intend to spread the Dharma of the country but I do not think they ever stopped people from sharing material. As master told all Mahatma are same - they work for same goal. it is only ignorance of those who try to differentiate them,

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 03:27:09 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dileepgaru, what you said is absolutely true. At the same time though, in a world where mother earth is divided into 'my plot' and 'your plot', where responsibility is divided into 'my job' and 'your job', and in a world where every one wants to keep their own but want others to give up theirs, and in a world where Mahatmas teachings are misused rampantly, it is a requirement that the teachings are preserved as a whole, and thats where the copy-right stuff comes in. Just one more attempt to do the same.

There have been instances, for instance, where my post is taken and printed as some one else's own and distributed. That is fine with me if that is all there is to it, since the ideas are there to improve society. But along with what I wrote, some other nonsense was added and the whole concept is twisted on its head and presented. That is something unacceptable. When that is the case, I have only two options. Either try to protect my own ideas from such corruption, or to shut up. I am not prepared yet for the latter, and so the former is compulsory.

There is also this problem.. Some of Master devotees did something unthinkable. One of them stated that he wrote milarepa charitra and not Master, where as a ton of people saw Master explaining it, and that was recorded in a casette, and that devotee merely wrote it down while listening to that casette, and with Master's permission, put it into the magazine.
Another Master's devotee tells to this day that he wrote many of the articles that Master wrote.
Yet another one printed Sai Leelamritam First edition without permissions.
Things like this happen. And, looking at what happened all historical records when they were not protected, it is scary.
The idea is to spread the teachings freely, and thats why Master's teachings are being made available for free on our website. At the same time, when there is not enough publicity for Master, any silly old person can copy His teachings and publish it as his own, which happens a lot!

Therefore, the true solution is to increase public awareness for Mahatmas and their teachings so much so that no one else can claim to the authenticity of their authorship. Sharing material is not a problem. But sharing it properly is the point. Any one can share Master's teachings with anyone, but the point is to honor the source. I wonder how many people  ever considered contributing to such sharing of Master's teachings or that of RamaKrishna mission, like hours of time spent creating books and websites, hours spent proof-reading, the expenditure, etc. When responsibility is relinquished and an unjust demand is made for a certain resource, it hurts sustainability in any field. This field is no different.

Jai Sai Master!!

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« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 09:08:06 PM by Dwarakanath »

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 01:11:12 PM »
Dear DwarakanathGaru
That is very nice explanation given by you. Obviously you have also seen the other side of these things. It is indeed very disturbing to know  that there are someone out there claiming for the work done by others. Of all the things, the below point you made - this sometimes have very bad affects
 //"But along with what I wrote, some other nonsense was added and the whole concept is twisted on its head and presented."//
This is a genuine concern. All master's works have been openly made accessible to everyone in case they are living in different continent and if they wanted to read online.
There are two things here 1) promoting one's work with the intention that others benefit from that 2) Claiming credit for someone's work.
I myself did the first thing by encouraging people to read, listen to speeches. But as you have rightly pointed there is other side to it too...
I do not exactly know the reason behind those deeds.I do not know if I am right but some people might have done that with the intention to write their version by taking master's book as reference. For example, I like Sri Ramayana and I wanted to write on it, I would quote Valmiki first and try to portray my view on it.
But as you have said there will be some people who just wants to do a Copy+Paste of others work. I saw some of them like that too. Combining Satcharitra, Leelamrutam and others and make a new book. That is not acceptable. That leaves us confused as to what they intend to do? Do they want to do Dharma Prachara or something else.

Anyway coming to quotes, at least I take it that it is "relatively" safer to share. As to the problem you have quoted, well, it exists always. I maybe wrong but I feel that the moment we keep something on internet copyright goes into air

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 11:34:29 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Dileepgaru,

what you said is quite true. I was not questioning you or anyone else sharing properly. That is, infact, encouraged. For instance, any one can quote a couple of pages from Master's books while pointing out that it is from His book. No problems there at all. The whole copyright thing is particularly taken up only to have atleast a slight chance of reaction towards miscreants.

Besides, as I mentioned earlier, we have a history of experiences, a series of them, right from Master was physically present all the way until 2008, that unfortunately, but necessarily, makes us still hold up the copyright law.

That said, we are living in a world where people can pay 100 rs for a movie in imax theatre, but as for discounts fora  70 rs. Master's book. And in this unfortunate world of capitalism, there is a very present danger (as it happened with many wonderful books from earlier) that Master's books become dormant in the face of silly literature like 'Baba prasna shastram' or other shortened Baba Charitras (sankshipta charitralu). Infact, one of the book distributors told me "Sir, make the book cost 150 rs., and give me 50 percent discount, then I will push it to the customers." Otherwise, he pushes only those that give him that discount.

There is only one real solution for this dilemma, and that is to spread the word, not just by praising the greatness of the book, but by showing the world the improved quality of life (by living so) that the book has brought about.  And to do it in such a way that it does not become a 'groupism' or a 'religious propoganda' but adheres to Master's principles of Satyanveshana. That is the real challenge before us.

The other side of the story is that I am wonderstruck at how really valuable teachings, for example Bhagavan Ramana's teachings, are so affordably available to the public, and that is thanks to capitalism. I am willing to go through the route of 'business', within very reasonable limits, to make sure that Master's books are available for generations. Being in a position that I am, I have seen the terrible effects of donations, both spiritual as well as material, and I do not want the fate of Master's books to depend on some benevolent 'donations'. They are of such high value, atleast in my eyes, that Mountains of Gold are worthless before them. And I still have the confidence in the world that there are enough intelligent people who can see their value, and pay atleast for their own copy, thus making it possible for many future reprints of those books.

I do not want the Teachings to be limited because of such business limitations. We initially thought of giving the rights of publishing one of Master's English books to a big publisher so that it can be in every book shop. But the publishers demand 'editing' and also demand that the books not be made available online. Its not a tough choice for me to make. I simply dropped the idea of giving publishing or distribution rights to any such companies.

And so the story goes on. Waiting for the day when I walk into any street in the world with Master's book in my hand and people recognize it, just like they recognize the cross of jesus. That is the idea.

Jai Sai Master!!