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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2013, 01:27:13 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Hmm...

I first would like to address your third point :
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Thirdly, if I'm not wrong, many people will say that I'm condemning wrong things that are being done in the name of the religion but not the actual religion. Here is the entire problem. When we talk about religion we say what ideally religion says, but when we do things, we don't do those ideal things. It's like that mischevious student in the class who is shouting that silence should be maintained in the class. No religion says that we should not question. In fact few religions say that we should question few things (and ofcourse we should not question few things). Questioning happens as part of enquiry. But if someone questions BECAUSE it was asked in the religion to question, then we end up in questions like 'how to speak truth'. This is similar to what the mischevious student is doing! By doing such things, the image of religion is changing. If you say that I'm condemning the wrong version of religion, then my question is which version are we following?

Well.. take a bunch of primary school students. They are taking a math class. And almost all of them are doing mistakes in basic maths. Now, one cannot say that maths is the problem. One cannot say maths is not the problem (otherwise, they would not do any mistakes since they do not do anything). Now, one can condemn their mistakes all they want, but that is not maths that they are condemning now, are they? I say you are condemning the wrong thing thinking that it is 'religion'. No its not. What you and I are condemning are wrong actions by humans, wrong application of religion may be. Just like wrong application of maths. Is maths a problem? Parents and teachers are telling that learning maths will help in life, or getting marks, or what ever. And the kids are doing mistakes. What is the way to go?

One thing to say is that maths is not required for a good life. One can do another set of subjects. And then move on. (This applies to your second contention). In the case of maths its fine. But if we make it larger and say 'education' instead of 'maths', then the statement 'education is not required to have a good life' is a valid one provided we have a narrow enough definition of education. Some one else points out another definition saying 'education is that which allows you to have a great life', then the above statement is bunk! Same is the issue with religion. If you definite it particularly, then yeah, religion or god is not required to find the truth. But in all great religions God is DEFINED as Truth! Then how can one find truth without seeking truth or shunning everything else other than truth? In that sense, without God, one cannot seek truth! And if one defines religion as a set of personal and social systems of living that allow a person to tread the path towards truth, then the statement 'one can find truth without religion or God' does not stand a chance of being sensible! That is exactly what I pointed out in saying that it is hard to talk about it without properly defining what we mean by 'religion'.

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One can find truth if he is interested and serious enough.
There is no debate on this statement. Only addendum is that to be interested and serious enough, that which needs to be done needs to be done first. Besides, regarding truth, the Ultimate Truth, things are not so simple. By a mere touch Sri Rama Krishna made Vivekananda see the Truth! So much for the limited view that 'no one can show another person Truth'. By a mere covering of a shawl Baba made Bala Bhate an ardent seeker.

Lastly, the problem is never with following religion strictly. It is rather about following religion in the right way. The problem is not following it the right way.

Regarding propaganda.. yes true. Lots of bad propaganda. So what does one do? Run away saying 'no religion'? Or propagate the right version? All religions had their upheavals again and again, bringing corrections when ever the populations are misguided. It seems like it is almost a rule of nature, a Law, which is expounded in Gita 'Sambhavaami Yuge Yuge'. Right propaganda and prayer are REQUIRED. Nothing can replace that requirement.

If one looks at statistics, communities and societies with religion and culture have always lived more in harmony than those that are not. Even in recent history, as recent as 2 to 3 hundred years ago, one could see this. Religions produced the greatest minds. Religions provided unity. Its only in the latest times when education is lacking, that is when the ignorance is prevailing and one sees the problems of harmonizing life with nature, with each other and with one's own mind. Religion is the sollution.. whether an old one or a new one. Fortunately, there are those religions which are as Old as they are new. They need not be termed 'religions'. They need not be named. They just need to be followed.

Getting up every morning and reinforcing the thought and understanding that it is peace that is required, and that it needs wisdom to arrive at and to maintain peace, and to dwell through out the day on its importance is a good thing for any body, is it not? And to work on it in such a way as to keep the mind sharp and healthy to be able to arrive at such wisdom, and making life enough orderly to keep oneself attempting to move towards such a goal.. is that not noble? Is anything else as noble as that for the population at large? That is essentially the Sandhya Vandana, the Udaya Prardhana, what not!

Now when one says that about Sandhya Vandana, then its all fine and agreed (I hope). But the problem is that some stupid fellow started saying that only one 'caste' of people can do it and others should not be told about it. Now, that is a problem. What is a solution? Telling every one that such is what needs to be done (whether one calls it Sandhya Vandana or not) is the solution to it. Not condemning sandhya vandana itself.

Now, if one categorizes both the wrongly applied caste system and Sandhya vandana as 'religion' and asks 'which one are we following', there is no answer. Since that very definition itself defeats the question! Because if we say 'religion' is bad, it would mean 'Sandhya Vandana' is also bad. If we say it is good, as per the above definition, it seems to mean that bad caste system is also good! The problem is in the question!

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2013, 07:52:58 PM »
jai saimaster!

Ofcourse I'm talking about wrong things done in the name of religion and not actual religion. That is why I asked initially what a true religion is! Few things are easily visible. Like killing, cheating, false gurus or discrimination in the name of caste etc. Few things are difficult to spot. Like, "its written in the book, so I am doing it". Or we should not question anything in the book. These are not easy to spot as on the face it looks like it is true because there are many things that we don't understand in the religion and we give these kind of things a benefit of doubt.

My initial intention was not to take this thread into the diretion that it is currently headed towards. I wanted to ask what true religion is. And in the light of that how we are going to face the people who are doing it wrong. It will not be too far that we will be approached by people asking to convert into different religion. And we need to deal with people who think that we are bad enough to be killed.

I tried to stick to the topic by saying that it's the problem of identity. I always see two different kinds of importances. One - that is important and yet we don't talk, don't fight over and yet those things happen. Two - that is talked about and fought over (the problem with identity). Unfortunately, the importance that is attached to religion or god is second one. It is seen as a differnt thing from normal life events.

But we are here talking about blindly following religion. We are shunning 'thinking about something' when we are saying 'blindly follow it'. And second thing, we say we need to do a right thing just because it was told in bhagavadgeeta. If we have that approach, then it will become a law book where we tend to do wrong things saying that it was not mentioned in bhagavadgeeta. This is when this topic took a different turn.

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Well.. take a bunch of primary school students. They are taking a math class. And almost all of them are doing mistakes in basic maths. Now, one cannot say that maths is the problem. One cannot say maths is not the problem (otherwise, they would not do any mistakes since they do not do anything). Now, one can condemn their mistakes all they want, but that is not maths that they are condemning now, are they? I say you are condemning the wrong thing thinking that it is 'religion'. No its not. What you and I are condemning are wrong actions by humans, wrong application of religion may be. Just like wrong application of maths. Is maths a problem? Parents and teachers are telling that learning maths will help in life, or getting marks, or what ever. And the kids are doing mistakes. What is the way to go?

That is simple enough for me to understand. But I will think that whatever is 'being done wrong (in the name of religion)' as  'the religion' only as long as who are doing it call 'that' a religion.
When we talk about it, we say that religion does not encourage blind belief. We say that. We also say we have to follow it blindly later. How so? Then I have to say to that person that his religion is wrong. Then he tells me the right thing. Then I will say that he is not doing what he is saying!

For e.g. does religion say that we should be like machines? Like no emotions etc? Like if someone talks bad about us, our culture, our parents we should stay unmoved. Are we machines or what? Of course anger bursts out. But that does not mean we should go and kill them or do same thing to them. We need to understand if our anger is part of 'being right' or it's a weakness. Now, we go on to say that that's what religion says too.

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Getting up every morning and reinforcing the thought and understanding that it is peace that is required, and that it needs wisdom to arrive at and to maintain peace, and to dwell through out the day on its importance is a good thing for any body, is it not? And to work on it in such a way as to keep the mind sharp and healthy to be able to arrive at such wisdom, and making life enough orderly to keep oneself attempting to move towards such a goal.. is that not noble? Is anything else as noble as that for the population at large? That is essentially the Sandhya Vandana, the Udaya Prardhana, what not!

That may be the definition of it. But I doubt if everyone is doing it that way here.

It is a thought process to me. To think about our life, to think about the peace that is absent for most of us and how peaceful it has been when I was asleep etc. Because it is a thought process, it cannot started in someone by saying, "start doing it from tomorrow morning". It can be, if that person is already inclined towards thinking about all those things. Otherwise, it is mere repeating of few words. Also, if one is inclined towards such things, then it does not need a time to start thinking about it.

To even do sandhya vandana as told by you requires certain inclination towards life and towards truth and being honest. It comes by being aware of surroundings and by questioning. And the quest follows whether you call it by some name or not.

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Now, if one categorizes both the wrongly applied caste system and Sandhya vandana as 'religion' and asks 'which one are we following', there is no answer. Since that very definition itself defeats the question! Because if we say 'religion' is bad, it would mean 'Sandhya Vandana' is also bad. If we say it is good, as per the above definition, it seems to mean that bad caste system is also good! The problem is in the question!

I did not understand this. :)

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2013, 11:16:39 AM »
jai saimaster

My initial intention was not to take this thread into the diretion that it is currently headed towards. I wanted to ask what true religion is. And in the light of that how we are going to face the people who are doing it wrong. It will not be too far that we will be approached by people asking to convert into different religion. And we need to deal with people who think that we are bad enough to be killed




     Babu garu  iam also thinking the same point here , even though i agree there should be rules , and      
     regulations (which i feel them as religions ) , but here everybody is saying that my religion is better than      
     your's and conversion has become very important to Everybody and this situation is being misused by  
     politicians(the persons who are supposed to take welfare of people) , here probably everybody should    
     understand that every religion is created by god and every religion should be respected and if it is not      
     happening everybody should feel that they are not respecting god, but in some situations some
     religious people are trying to increase there population they are doing numereous practises which
     they say it is mentioned in their books for example" Darul islam and Darul arab "(here again iam not
     against islam ) and finally i would like to say that problem of domination is THERE (again iam not saying
     it is happening due to presense of religion )! but misusing of religion, and we all need to come out of it
     otherwise no matter how much we love god, i dont think we will get salvation . And i think raghu is
      trying to highlight that point.



jai sai master
      
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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2013, 02:26:32 PM »
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అందుకని కొన్ని ధర్మాలు పెద్దలు చెప్పారు. అవి గుడ్డిగా ఆచరిస్తే జాగ్రత్త అదే వస్తుంది

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What is implied in 'Guddiga aachariste.."?

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2013, 10:14:34 PM »
jai sai master
 
 
     probably we have to follow them without questioning them and develop the faith on those
     rulle's,yes  ofcourse some times it will definately lead to superstious mindset also ,But still
     i can say  that without rule's(religions) , a person may not acheive the eternal happiness ,
     then you may question
                   
                 why is it not possible without the rules ?, then i have to say that every human being is weak at some level
                         
                 no matter how much popular the person is!!! and at some day that person reliaze's about that there is
           
                 something eternal happiness then he has to diciplane himself with the help of those rule's

       NOTE: These are my opinions we can discuss about these views
                               
                                 
                              jai sai master
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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2013, 03:00:07 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Exactly Raghuramgaru.. 'guddiga aachariste..'.. there is no other way.. particularly in the context Master is saying that statement.

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2013, 03:07:00 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

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     Babu garu  iam also thinking the same point here , even though i agree there should be rules , and       
     regulations (which i feel them as religions ) , but here everybody is saying that my religion is better than     
     your's and conversion has become very important to Everybody and this situation is being misused by 
     politicians(the persons who are supposed to take welfare of people) , here probably everybody should     
     understand that every religion is created by god and every religion should be respected and if it is not     
     happening everybody should feel that they are not respecting god, but in some situations some
     religious people are trying to increase there population they are doing numereous practises which
     they say it is mentioned in their books for example" Darul islam and Darul arab "(here again iam not
     against islam ) and finally i would like to say that problem of domination is THERE (again iam not saying
     it is happening due to presense of religion )! but misusing of religion, and we all need to come out of it
     otherwise no matter how much we love god, i dont think we will get salvation . And i think raghu is
      trying to highlight that point.

I certainly do understand it! And yet.. its a bit more tricky. There is a difference between a 'need to come out of it' as a defensive reaction and 'need to come out of it' as a progressive response. The first one has no end, no reason or goal, the second has a purpose. You see?

Because someone is shouting at you, you get angry and you shout back. That is one way. When some one is shouting at you, you do not get angry but reason out that shouting back is the quickest way out of the predicament. That is another way. Right?

All I am saying is that we need to arrive at the right way to approach this problem. Otherwise, we would either revolve in circles or we would throw the baby out with the bath water!

Therefore, I am trying to come up with additional food for thought so that we might arrive at the right approach to this problem.

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2013, 03:17:45 AM »
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But we are here talking about blindly following religion. We are shunning 'thinking about something' when we are saying 'blindly follow it'. And second thing, we say we need to do a right thing just because it was told in bhagavadgeeta. If we have that approach, then it will become a law book where we tend to do wrong things saying that it was not mentioned in bhagavadgeeta. This is when this topic took a different turn.

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Well.. take a bunch of primary school students. They are taking a math class. And almost all of them are doing mistakes in basic maths. Now, one cannot say that maths is the problem. One cannot say maths is not the problem (otherwise, they would not do any mistakes since they do not do anything). Now, one can condemn their mistakes all they want, but that is not maths that they are condemning now, are they? I say you are condemning the wrong thing thinking that it is 'religion'. No its not. What you and I are condemning are wrong actions by humans, wrong application of religion may be. Just like wrong application of maths. Is maths a problem? Parents and teachers are telling that learning maths will help in life, or getting marks, or what ever. And the kids are doing mistakes. What is the way to go?

That is simple enough for me to understand. But I will think that whatever is 'being done wrong (in the name of religion)' as  'the religion' only as long as who are doing it call 'that' a religion.
When we talk about it, we say that religion does not encourage blind belief. We say that. We also say we have to follow it blindly later. How so? Then I have to say to that person that his religion is wrong. Then he tells me the right thing. Then I will say that he is not doing what he is saying!

Again, this is not accurate. One cannot pass arm chair criticism with the word 'religion'.

Also, when one says that religion does not encourage blind belief, one is talking about it in one context. Where as following blindly, one is talking in totally another context. Besides, 'blindly believing' is not always bad or good. It depends a lot on context. Why is there this prejudice on this concept that 'blind belief' is always bad? When a child is running into traffic, does one say 'run and see.. experiment.. do not accept blindly that you would die if a car runs over you.. do not believe in authority..' etc.? In a spiritual context, there are similar dangers, and similarly one is asked to blindly believe so that one might not fall into them. What is the big worry about that?

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2013, 12:36:53 PM »
jai saimaster!

Ofcourse I'm talking about wrong things done in the name of religion and not actual religion. That is why I asked initially what a true religion is! Few things are easily visible. Like killing, cheating, false gurus or discrimination in the name of caste etc. Few things are difficult to spot. Like, "its written in the book, so I am doing it". Or we should not question anything in the book. These are not easy to spot as on the face it looks like it is true because there are many things that we don't understand in the religion and we give these kind of things a benefit of doubt.

My initial intention was not to take this thread into the diretion that it is currently headed towards. I wanted to ask what true religion is. And in the light of that how we are going to face the people who are doing it wrong. It will not be too far that we will be approached by people asking to convert into different religion. And we need to deal with people who think that we are bad enough to be killed.

I tried to stick to the topic by saying that it's the problem of identity. I always see two different kinds of importances. One - that is important and yet we don't talk, don't fight over and yet those things happen. Two - that is talked about and fought over (the problem with identity). Unfortunately, the importance that is attached to religion or god is second one. It is seen as a differnt thing from normal life events.

But we are here talking about blindly following religion. We are shunning 'thinking about something' when we are saying 'blindly follow it'. And second thing, we say we need to do a right thing just because it was told in bhagavadgeeta. If we have that approach, then it will become a law book where we tend to do wrong things saying that it was not mentioned in bhagavadgeeta. This is when this topic took a different turn.

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Well.. take a bunch of primary school students. They are taking a math class. And almost all of them are doing mistakes in basic maths. Now, one cannot say that maths is the problem. One cannot say maths is not the problem (otherwise, they would not do any mistakes since they do not do anything). Now, one can condemn their mistakes all they want, but that is not maths that they are condemning now, are they? I say you are condemning the wrong thing thinking that it is 'religion'. No its not. What you and I are condemning are wrong actions by humans, wrong application of religion may be. Just like wrong application of maths. Is maths a problem? Parents and teachers are telling that learning maths will help in life, or getting marks, or what ever. And the kids are doing mistakes. What is the way to go?

That is simple enough for me to understand. But I will think that whatever is 'being done wrong (in the name of religion)' as  'the religion' only as long as who are doing it call 'that' a religion.
When we talk about it, we say that religion does not encourage blind belief. We say that. We also say we have to follow it blindly later. How so? Then I have to say to that person that his religion is wrong. Then he tells me the right thing. Then I will say that he is not doing what he is saying!

For e.g. does religion say that we should be like machines? Like no emotions etc? Like if someone talks bad about us, our culture, our parents we should stay unmoved. Are we machines or what? Of course anger bursts out. But that does not mean we should go and kill them or do same thing to them. We need to understand if our anger is part of 'being right' or it's a weakness. Now, we go on to say that that's what religion says too.

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Getting up every morning and reinforcing the thought and understanding that it is peace that is required, and that it needs wisdom to arrive at and to maintain peace, and to dwell through out the day on its importance is a good thing for any body, is it not? And to work on it in such a way as to keep the mind sharp and healthy to be able to arrive at such wisdom, and making life enough orderly to keep oneself attempting to move towards such a goal.. is that not noble? Is anything else as noble as that for the population at large? That is essentially the Sandhya Vandana, the Udaya Prardhana, what not!

That may be the definition of it. But I doubt if everyone is doing it that way here.

It is a thought process to me. To think about our life, to think about the peace that is absent for most of us and how peaceful it has been when I was asleep etc. Because it is a thought process, it cannot started in someone by saying, "start doing it from tomorrow morning". It can be, if that person is already inclined towards thinking about all those things. Otherwise, it is mere repeating of few words. Also, if one is inclined towards such things, then it does not need a time to start thinking about it.

To even do sandhya vandana as told by you requires certain inclination towards life and towards truth and being honest. It comes by being aware of surroundings and by questioning. And the quest follows whether you call it by some name or not.

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Now, if one categorizes both the wrongly applied caste system and Sandhya vandana as 'religion' and asks 'which one are we following', there is no answer. Since that very definition itself defeats the question! Because if we say 'religion' is bad, it would mean 'Sandhya Vandana' is also bad. If we say it is good, as per the above definition, it seems to mean that bad caste system is also good! The problem is in the question!

I did not understand this. :)

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Jai Sai Master!

I really appreciate the way of your approach raghuram garu.

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అందుకని కొన్ని ధర్మాలు పెద్దలు చెప్పారు. అవి గుడ్డిగా ఆచరిస్తే జాగ్రత్త అదే వస్తుంది

Related to our topic.
What is implied in 'Guddiga aachariste.."?

jai saimaster!

Don't you think the context what master garu saying is completely different to what we are discussing here. I really think so.

Ofcourse I'm talking about wrong things done in the name of religion and not actual religion. That is why I asked initially what a true religion is! Few things are easily visible. Like killing, cheating, false gurus or discrimination in the name of caste etc. Few things are difficult to spot. Like, "its written in the book, so I am doing it". Or we should not question anything in the book. These are not easy to spot as on the face it looks like it is true because there are many things that we don't understand in the religion and we give these kind of things a benefit of doubt.

quite true....few things are difficult to spot out.
instead of saying ''its written in the book, so I am doing it".....It is said by the mahatma, so I am doing it.

My initial intention was not to take this thread into the diretion that it is currently headed towards. I wanted to ask what true religion is. And in the light of that how we are going to face the people who are doing it wrong. It will not be too far that we will be approached by people asking to convert into different religion. And we need to deal with people who think that we are bad enough to be killed.

It is not too late...so try to take this in that direction so that we can ALL think together and act together....otherwise we will end up with nothing..

I tried to stick to the topic by saying that it's the problem of identity. I always see two different kinds of importances. One - that is important and yet we don't talk, don't fight over and yet those things happen. Two - that is talked about and fought over (the problem with identity). Unfortunately, the importance that is attached to religion or god is second one. It is seen as a differnt thing from normal life events.

But we are here talking about blindly following religion. We are shunning 'thinking about something' when we are saying 'blindly follow it'. And second thing, we say we need to do a right thing just because it was told in bhagavadgeeta. If we have that approach, then it will become a law book where we tend to do wrong things saying that it was not mentioned in bhagavadgeeta. This is when this topic took a different turn.


In my opinion, in the light of many masters, quite few people are aware of this problem, but they dont talk and act because they can not handle it lonely.....so many people are aware of the problems of the media and its wrong impact on people. Are we totally shunning the media? I doubt it sir.

and if any one who does wrong things in the name of god/spirituality and deceive him/her self by saying it is 'mentioned nowhere'....he/she is complete jerk in my opinion....no one can save such a lame.

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That is simple enough for me to understand. But I will think that whatever is 'being done wrong (in the name of religion)' as  'the religion' only as long as who are doing it call 'that' a religion.
When we talk about it, we say that religion does not encourage blind belief. We say that. We also say we have to follow it blindly later. How so? Then I have to say to that person that his religion is wrong. Then he tells me the right thing. Then I will say that he is not doing what he is saying!

For e.g. does religion say that we should be like machines? Like no emotions etc? Like if someone talks bad about us, our culture, our parents we should stay unmoved. Are we machines or what? Of course anger bursts out. But that does not mean we should go and kill them or do same thing to them. We need to understand if our anger is part of 'being right' or it's a weakness. Now, we go on to say that that's what religion says too.

Quite right sir. I totally agreeing with your statement here, we have to understand our anger is part of being right or doing that due to our habitual 'weakness'.

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Getting up every morning and reinforcing the thought and understanding that it is peace that is required, and that it needs wisdom to arrive at and to maintain peace, and to dwell through out the day on its importance is a good thing for any body, is it not? And to work on it in such a way as to keep the mind sharp and healthy to be able to arrive at such wisdom, and making life enough orderly to keep oneself attempting to move towards such a goal.. is that not noble? Is anything else as noble as that for the population at large? That is essentially the Sandhya Vandana, the Udaya Prardhana, what not!

That may be the definition of it. But I doubt if everyone is doing it that way here.

I think the context master talking about is quite apt to this one and every thing boils down to 'how many of us understood the real purpose of human life'.

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2013, 01:16:56 AM »
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Otherwise, it is mere repeating of few words.

still far more potent than not even repeating those few words.

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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2013, 04:05:49 PM »
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I certainly do understand it! And yet.. its a bit more tricky. There is a difference between a 'need to come out of it' as a defensive reaction and 'need to come out of it' as a progressive response. The first one has no end, no reason or goal, the second has a purpose. You see?

Because someone is shouting at you, you get angry and you shout back. That is one way. When some one is shouting at you, you do not get angry but reason out that shouting back is the quickest way out of the predicament. That is another way. Right?

All I am saying is that we need to arrive at the right way to approach this problem. Otherwise, we would either revolve in circles or we would throw the baby out with the bath water!

Therefore, I am trying to come up with additional food for thought so that we might arrive at the right approach to this problem.

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@babugaru

 for first three lines iam(layman) not able  to figure out the progressive way if at all iam(layman) in progressive way iam(lay man)

 somehow iam loosing the wayout ,and iam not being confident that iam in progressive way and this is the same condition when

 iam in defenceive way(which is more probable distructive in its own way), so my question is how to resolve it ? so that every religious

 practioner should understand and respect other religions instead of trying to dominate each other


 for second three lines :
 
 yes i agree with you in that case , but it may be required to shout back to  the same person after thinking also!!!


for last lines :
 yes indeed we require a right approach  but how should we think that we are in right approach ?
 
 why iam asking this question?
 
(ans) everybody is thinking that they are doing right approach but still not happy ! still insecure with each other trying to dominate each other


regarding blind belief

babugaru i think everybody in this world are strugling to come out of misery of ocean(kastalu), and everybody is trying understand
 
happiness and most of them are failing , (but we all got some opurtunity to understand the truth through master garu and baba garu

 thats totally different thing ) but i have one thing to say that if we are trusting the people who already reached the shore, for guidance

 for reaching the shore it is not at all wrong because they know how to help us , but in this example i would like highlight that believing
 
 people on the shore is blind belief and knwledge of believing the blind people is THINKING ,and if we are not doing that it could lead us
 
 in to trouble and this is what is happening in the blind belief and we feel we are greater than each other


 hence in my total example of blind belief if you feel that i need to be corrected i welcome it

 


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Re: The madness of domination of identity
« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2013, 04:09:49 PM »

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