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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2009, 09:57:28 PM »
jai saimaster,   Uttam garu I saw you mentioning about punnaiah sastry garu .  Recently I saw Brahmasri Punnaiah sastry garu's speeches in Bhakti TV.  could you please confirm If you are talking about him.

what do they mean  by Brahmasri ?

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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2009, 11:36:53 PM »
Jai Sai Master.

Sowjanya garu,

We never watched Bhakti channel and never seen Sri Punnaiah Sasrty gari photo to say whether they are one and the same.

All we know about Sri Punnaiah Sastry garu is from the Book.

In brief, he lived in his Guru(Sri Krishnamacharyulu garu)'s home and met Master garu in 1960 for the first time.

Source: Sri SaiMaster Smrutulu

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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2009, 11:49:19 PM »
jai saimaster,   Uttam garu I saw you mentioning about punnaiah sastry garu .  Recently I saw Brahmasri Punnaiah sastry garu's speeches in Bhakti TV.  could you please confirm If you are talking about him.

what do they mean  by Brahmasri ?

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Yes, he is the same. Brahmasri is just respectful. It is given to any one who explains upanishads and other scriptures.

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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2009, 02:59:11 AM »
jai sai master , Thankyou Babu garu for letting me know about the punnaiah sashtry garu.

 I truly liked his speech first time when I saw him on Bhakti tv channel.


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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2009, 07:10:55 PM »
I am not trying to be detouring of sort, but I have a question, based on the what I have seen from this thread and other thread(s)...... and please consider my question as honest observation, with out direct criticism, as i have nothing to gain or lose either way.....

During a discussion, we refer to what others (or supposed greats have said), which sounds pretty correct thing to do  (and also to me) as we have to take someone/book as stand point.....

However, when the reference was made to someone else (to the other person--may be great) in a different thread, the posts were asked to be removed....
But, I see the forum tilted when someone else is mentioned, and even spreading that....... (again please understand I am not questioning the greatness of either of them, and more so, both are the same difficult to understand/comprehend jugglery for an illiterate like me).....

I can understand every organization, has a philosophy, and tries to strongly spread that philosophy..... But why does it stop philososphy of others, more so if its good (or percieved good)..... or if its wrong why dont an organisation be strong enough to criticize.... (just like in the video speech dwarakanath garu gave before launching the magazine, that he will not hesitate to criticize).....   

Again ask this with all due respect with regard to everyone 9mentioned and not mentioned on this forum).... and if not much, just trying to learn the policy of the forum, for my future posts...... Thanks in advance for any clarification.......

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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2009, 11:55:40 PM »
I am not trying to be detouring of sort, but I have a question, based on the what I have seen from this thread and other thread(s)...... and please consider my question as honest observation, with out direct criticism, as i have nothing to gain or lose either way.....

During a discussion, we refer to what others (or supposed greats have said), which sounds pretty correct thing to do  (and also to me) as we have to take someone/book as stand point.....

However, when the reference was made to someone else (to the other person--may be great) in a different thread, the posts were asked to be removed....
But, I see the forum tilted when someone else is mentioned, and even spreading that....... (again please understand I am not questioning the greatness of either of them, and more so, both are the same difficult to understand/comprehend jugglery for an illiterate like me).....

I can understand every organization, has a philosophy, and tries to strongly spread that philosophy..... But why does it stop philososphy of others, more so if its good (or percieved good)..... or if its wrong why dont an organisation be strong enough to criticize.... (just like in the video speech dwarakanath garu gave before launching the magazine, that he will not hesitate to criticize).....  

Again ask this with all due respect with regard to everyone 9mentioned and not mentioned on this forum).... and if not much, just trying to learn the policy of the forum, for my future posts...... Thanks in advance for any clarification.......

Jai Sai Master!!

Really, without needing a much detour, which I dont think is required, the answer is this.

The people who are accepted to be referred to on these forums are those who are explicitly hailed as greats by Master and/or Amma. Otherwise, if the forum starts accepting posts about 'great people' based on individual opinions of who is great and who is not, very easily, by just simple mathematics, lots of nonsense and fake gurus creep into here. So, you understand, i guess, by now, what is allowed in here and what is not. We dont pass value judgement (atleast on the forums) about any one's greatness. We just allow those, who are great for sure, based on what Master/Amma told. Period.

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Regarding Pillala pempakam. Here is an excerpt from Master E.K.'s speech. More excerpts will follow.

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Children education speech: By Master E.K.
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Transcribed with the help of Arundhati Shasidhar.

     In my view this is the most important situation. More  imp than the spiritual tracks we are listening. And the various spiritual literature and the psychological literature we are listening. Because, problems of human society in any country, any nation, have three or four main causes and the most important of all is there is nobody to direct us how to bring up children. Until very recently, we have only an individual method. Every couple of parents have their own experiment with their children depending upon the state of the mind of the parents and we have commited great mistakes and great blunders till now. because we ourselves are products of such parents who also committed such blunders for previous few generations. They themselves didnt recieve proper education and they left children to chance and the institutions that are installed to educate children, they are also not healthy. They are either religion conditioned or political conditioned. They are not conditioned by human values.  and the result is, there is no proper understanding betn two generations. It is the fate of children for the past three generations. The parents are busy with their vocational and domestic work and their social gatherings and their ways of seeking pleasure and happiness and sometimes helpless in solving their own problems.

The children are away from the parents and when they come home, they have nothing with children except to consult them with their homework and eat and sleep fatigued. And when the children are sent to residential institutions, they have still less friendship with the parents and they are brought up like orphans having no father and mother. Once in everyweek they come to the parents sometimes and the result is that when they grow up, they are quite a different nation and away from the parents. So, we thought that we are systematizing the education of children in the present age. In trying to do so, we have enslaved and imprisoned the minds of children. When the child becomes a boy, he looks at the parents in a foriegn and different point of view. Because he has no identification, with what we call group consciousness. The teachers and the experts in the residential schools, they have no education or evolution enough to treat children as their own children. Because many of them are governed by commercial and business motives and they themselves are the products of such parents.

   And another thing is, we have the old people houses seperated from the younger generation. In all such families, there is no communication between three generations. A son knows the father very little, and the grandson doesnt know the grandfather at all sometimes. What we call 'consciousness of nation' is broken into pieces during the past hundred years. As the result of such a foolish experiment, we have only population in each country and no Nation. The concept of a nation is only intellectually understood and not understood in its true sense. Unless children have an opportunity to grow with the parent, and unless the parents mind is evolved enough to permit the children to grow with them and sacrifice some of their time in the valuable time of their children, remembering that we are all for the next generation, and it is very bad to victimize the next generation for our own immediate conviniences. So, this is the background which we should keep in mind, if we are at all very sincere to know anything about child upbringing and child education.

   We should be prepared for an aquarian type of change. That is, we should violently try to bring a change irrespective of how the present conditions exist. Otherwise, there will be no nation existing on the earth. When there is no national spirit, there cannot be an international spirit. There can only a spirit of competition and war and destruction. We have already expereinced two such wars because of changed generations of children in all countries.
   The human mind is specially constructed for a continuity of thought which is not there in any of the animals. The animals have the interests that humans have but the interests of one day are not carried to another day where as the humans have the continuity of thought which is used to mould life in affection and see that group consciousness is constructed and formed. For this the family is the only school that makes real education possible. So, in the age of aquarius definitely, if not today, after 10 or 15 or 20 years, there will be a total abandonment of the present education system and if we feel the need of the advanced humanity, we should try to excersize the change, by having what we call 'the family children schools'. For example, some families should make it their whole time profession, to have a little group of children from the other families along their own children and then educate the little group with all the spirit of family living in domestic way of living. Not understanding the school as something different from home.

Unless such a violent change occurs, we can give information to children, but not education. We can make their minds sharp, but we cannot make their intellect progressive and constructive. And the result of such faulty way of doing things is to develop a spirit of competition in the cihldren which grows with them as they grow into very sharp and great intellectuals, each an expert in an advanced branch of science and he believes only in conquering others and killing others. Because, what we teach him is a spirit of competition to get more marks in the school than the others and to get more prizes in the games. Such beastly instincts are taught to the children in the tender age when they are not in a possition to teach their children what is brotherhood. And when the spirit of family is not there, the human being has nothing to enjoy in life. He will be a slave in his profession instead of being a master, working in the offices like a prisoner or a captive. And at home, he finds nothing to enjoy except sex. But sex is only the minor enjoyment in human life and soon man gets into physcial and mental inadequacy of happiness. He doesnt know any source for real happiness. Because he does not know what companionship is. The wife and the husband find in each other only animals of sex but each cannot provide what is called companionship and brotherhood because they cannot understand each other in their hearts. The one has nothing to provide for the other and the result is great struggle and mental war between the husband and the wife after a certain age, most probably middle age. And in a way, there is no solution. So, the first thing we should try to bring in a change is that two families among 50 families should make it a fulltime occupation to bring up the children of the 50 families. Any how we have people who look after the children when the parents are going to office and we are having such people seperately and the school teachers seperately.  And we are having psychological advisors seperately. Why cant you have the three in one? That is what is meant by having a domestic school for children. Then it becomes a living work and not a dry intellectual professional career. The individual parents have much to do with their children at home. First of all they have to find time to devote to children. When they say the week-end holidays, we have a great craze for going to very long distances in the week end, spending much time and energy and petrol and very little time is left for us to enjoy. By the time we want to be free in the weekend holiday place, its already time to return and we have only a few hours there to stay. So, in every weekend, we are weakened with the trip and instead of doing it, if we spend the week ends with children, 4 or 5 or 6 or 10 families, gathering together and try to do the best to please the children and to teach the children in more spychological and practical way about human values and national values, about the affection between the parent and the child. Just it is enough if we are interested in children and it is enough if the child feels that we are interested in him. He begins to grow, not physically, but intellectually and spiritually. No more difficult methods are necessary. The first sign of growth in a child is to find that the others are interested in him. That gives him the seed of many virtues of human behaviour and he will be trained to think as one with the family and as a part of the family so that the whole family is a group or a soul consciousness. Each is the part of a group. That is my first correction about children upbringing. Since the past 15 years I have made many experiments in India, I find great results beyond my expectations. As far as my personal experience is considered, we 4 brothers, we are brought up by our parents like that. Our parents never left us and they never came in the way of our independence. We never felt that we are restricted or opposed by our parents. That is how we are brought up and that is how the brothers and sisters of my wife are brought up. The result is, during our 40 years of married life, we had no occassion to feel irritated about each other, and each feel only the necessity of the presence of the other and the companionship of each other. I am a father of 6 children which is commonly the case in India. No one of my children till now had any example of misbehavior with either the members of the family or the society and there was no occasion when we felt impatient of our children. All of them feel it a great joy to be with all the other members of the family and my sons are aged 30, 34, and about 24, like that. And all of them are only happy and nothing else till today.  So, that is my experience with such an experiment of what we call a home school.  my father started it as early as 1934 with me. He continued to conduct it with great success through out his life and he produced a generation of 300 children. Not that he gave birth to 300 children and now all the 300 children are maintaining the same type of schools for their children. That is 1 aspect of child upbringing. The second aspect is, we should believe in them, we should have confidence in them and we should  treat them as our equals. Because difference is there in age, need not bring difference in intelligence. There may be souls more mature than us in our children and grand children. We should remember it and we should know how to respect them. Discipline is required only to the mental and intellectual planes. And physical body for hygine. Discipline of physical body is required for hygene and health. But, beyond the intellectual level, no discipline is required because what is there inside a human being is already order and discipline. All the indiscipline exists only in the intellectual and mental planes. It is enough just if we set the intellectual plane right. And 1 secret I have found is, if we allow them to do some work, real education automatically takes place in them.


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I want to point out to readers that when Master E.K. says 'violent change', He doesnt mean a change through violence, but rather means, a drastic and radical and immediate and complete change.


Jai Sai Master!!
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2009, 12:12:38 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Continued..

    Remember, children always immitate elders in everything good or bad. We should have some work that is fit to be immitated by our children. It need not be something very high or technical. It may be arranging the house or the furniture or it may be preparing some parts of the house or doing something with the floor or the crockery and utensils. If something useful to the society is produced in the family, just as they do in japan, in every cottage and in every family, they produce something that is useful commercially to the world. For example, even 50 years ago, in japan, every house used to produce a loose part for an automobile. And the marketman could assemble the motor car in 1 day and sell it. Because of that, the japanese as a nation is trained in group work automatically.  It is not because of the great intellect they have but it is the constructive way of doing things and training the elements of the nation. That is another aspect.

       A 3rd aspect about children is , you take them with you to places of great interest whenever you go. Allowing them to play with the tv and the toys will not help them.  As many toys as we purchase for the children, we are throwing so many stones upon their intellectual growth. Their creative brain is killed by giving them prepared toys. Their mind begins to enjoy prepared things and forgets how to prepare things. So, you should stimulate the creative talent in the children. I will give 1 example. You know the name and some of the great works of rabindranath tagore. his father devendranath tagore, had 9 children and he was very very rich in those days. But he never allowed toys to be brought into his house for his children. He gave plaster to children and trained them to prepare models. For example, pictures, making a person sit and trying to draw his picture and then he gave colour pencis and paper. he allowed the children to spoil as many papers as necessary. And he used to train them in making a painting of what ever they see before them. He used to give scissors and colour papers to make cuttings and pastings to prepare beautiful pictures. Like that, he had many methods to train his children. He gave them some good music in the morning and evening. He never allowed the movies to be seen by them unless they belonged to a very high order of intellectual development. What happened after a certain age : the children refused to get attracted for the cheap things in the street. Each became an internationally great artist in his own line.  For example, rabindranath tagore, one of the sons, became an international seer, spiritualist and a literate. And he gave only some prayers, some music and some stories narrated to the children daily and he asked the children to narrate once again. The result is, each of them developed into a wonderful orator. Having great command over  knowledge and public. That is 1 example. And then he never made them read or write until they are 7 years of age. The result is, by 7 years of age, they have grown much, much in their cultural life. Then they picked up writing and reading very easily and they passed all the examinations of the college and the university more quickly than the other students. But still, they were not influenced by the ideas of education that are wrong. They remained as reformers of education. So, that is another example. It is not a story but what has happened. Similar experiments are being done in america also. There are advanced philosophers who are experts in bringing up children and all of them prefer only home schools for children. We feel it is inconvinient because we have to sacrifice our time for them. About problem children, it is highly
unpsychological to get irritated with them. If a child is disobedient or unpsychological or unsocial, we should be more kind and more social with them. Then they will be treated in a short time. If we feel irritated with them, that means we have much indiscipline and animal nature with in us. The children also get the same thing from us.  The more we get get irritated with them, the more they are going to fear. Fear is the seed of all crime. Any one who has no fear will have no criminal nature with in him. And the children begin to do things in secrecy when they fear. And they hide things and they get into kleptomaniac tendencies. They steal time from the parents to do something that they dont want the parents to know. So, that is the result of physical punishment which is not at all necessary for children. Because it is the mind that is to be tamed and not the body. What is the use of punishing the body to train the mind? It is only the animal nature of parents that makes us punish children. Our lack of discipline and too much of emotions make us punish children.  It should be a joy for the child to wish to be with the family. And professions can be developed even from the home circle. And we can ignore the academic qualifications of the universities also, if they do not fit into the requirements of the children.

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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2009, 02:55:34 AM »
Jai Sai Master!

Continued..

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I made that experiment also completely. And I am a wonderful succes in it. I never sent my children to any college, school or university. And I got them trained in the type of work they wanted to.
   One fellow got interested in languages and he could study the languages and the scriptures as much as he could. Then after becoming an adult he went to the university and he is post-graduated and he become a doctorate. And still, he got interested in the printing technology. He wanted his own little printing press and he developed it and he made his coleagues as co-workers in his printing press and they could make a profession of their own. After developing the printing press very well, they gave the press to one group of young people and started another press seperately. Like that, there are 3 printing presses that are developed in our place by our groups of young people. And at a new place, they have purchased a big new printing press, a 4th one. Like that, each  group has selected the type of work he wants and got himself trained in the work. Started their own institution of that branch.  And now, they cater to the society better than the commercial organizations and they are living with independent livelihood and earning in independent economy in livelyhood. After that, the government or the state need not feel to pay them something or any organizations to get them employed. They can give employment to others. They need not seek employment from others. Because the main principle from childhood is to get trained in something which is really useful to the society. That is the fundamental principle. These are my experiences with the basic ideas of child training. If you add a little of yoga science in their daily life, if you make them a habbit of meditation 5 mins in the morning and 5 mins in the evening, that will complete the necessities of child education. And when they grow up and go into the world, their presence will influence others. They are never influenced by any other presence and always their presence can be only practical, progressive and possitive. This is what I want to suggest to you.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2009, 04:37:45 AM »
Jai Sai Master

Babu garu!

Thank you very much for posting the great speech by Master EK garu.
 
This will make a big positive change in our families.
When EK garu mentioned about Rabindranath Tagore , I just flew away with joy because I like Tagor since I am 9 or 10 years old.
 
At that age, I used to read about Tagore and I always used to think about him and his poetry.  After a long break, When I was carrying my son I got a craving to read about Tagore.
 
Thanks babu garu.

Just saying thanks to you is not enough. We need to up bring our children in a proper way and make them useful to the society. I know that that is what you want from us more than a Thank you. 

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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2009, 06:16:08 AM »
Jai Sai Master.

Very inspiring. Thank you very much Babu garu.

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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2009, 12:43:10 PM »
Jai Sai Master!
Really a nice article. May the force of Master be with all of us. May we get a chance to implement a bit of what Master wanted the world to.

Thanks for the post babu garu.

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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2009, 02:49:12 PM »
Great posts!!! and regarding


Really, without needing a much detour, which I dont think is required, the answer is this.

The people who are accepted to be referred to on these forums are those who are explicitly hailed as greats by Master and/or Amma. Otherwise, if the forum starts accepting posts about 'great people' based on individual opinions of who is great and who is not, very easily, by just simple mathematics, lots of nonsense and fake gurus creep into here. So, you understand, i guess, by now, what is allowed in here and what is not. We dont pass value judgement (atleast on the forums) about any one's greatness. We just allow those, who are great for sure, based on what Master/Amma told. Period.


I didnot know who master EK is, and I just came to know that he is your Father's brother.....
Sorry again in that regard....

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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2009, 08:06:00 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

Not just my father's brother, but a Great Man in His own right!! One of the few 'teachers par excellence' that mother earth has ever witnessed.

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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2009, 10:18:36 PM »
hi all,

my mother was a working woman and i am glad that she was one. my family wud hv been fine if she were not working but still she was working. in my opinion, job is kind of a security. i dont mean to say that women who dont work are nt worthy, however, i am all for working moms.

thank u,
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2009, 02:16:47 PM »
Jai Sai Master, Babu garu!
Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus..

Babu garu, thank you very much for bringing to us the lessons of life. Dear forum members, thank you very much for starting the thread which culminated into a wonderful lesson. My personal view is, we can never ever repay the debt to THIS DIVINE FAMILY who brought the Vedic knowledge to each and every human being. May we shine more and more in the light of SAIMASTER!!

JAI SAI MASTER!
JAI SAI MASTER!
JAI SAI MASTER!

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