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mamatha

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Is it possible?
« on: October 09, 2007, 05:18:23 PM »
OM SAIRAM

I got one mail, in which I found the attached photos, which were taken when some people were doing satsang and akhanda bhajana, in that photos, baba was also there…like shiridi sai akaram…the posture was like… sitting in front of dhuni…
My doubt is, baba really comes? If he comes, can we take the snap of baba?

OM SAIRAM
« Last Edit: October 09, 2007, 05:47:44 PM by mamatha »

Dwarakanath

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Re: Is it possible?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2007, 06:13:09 PM »
Jai Sai Master!

its good that you brought this up. but this seems to happen quite often and too many people. it is helping their devotion, fine, but i think its totally unnecessary because others who dont have such things in their photos start feeling bad and start searching for it, instead of thinking that Baba is anywhere where we think of Him. So, Baba comes to EVERY Satsang. And I think this whole photograph thing is not worth even thinking..

Here is a little teaching from the Master to me when I was young.

I was about 6 or 7 when I started writing on slates. Master used to make me do math on slates, quick calculations and that kinda stuff. We used to have a mug of water at hand and sit at the door facing outside. Outside is all mud. Master used to give questions (mostly Amma used to do it, but Master used to be there reading His books or dictating to other devotees..) and we have to quickly calculate and give answers. Then we would clean up the slate with water and then start over again. I was a bit lazy or something, I got a huge bucketful of water and I was dipping the slate in, instead of washing with the mug of water. But what happened was that when I dipped it in and cleaned it and picked it up, I clearly noticed that the water remaining on the slate formed the sanskrit symbol of "OM". I was a bit surprised and excited, and showed it to Master. He saw it and didnt bother, but I asked whether I should clean the slate and start working, as that would remove that OM shape that the water is in.

Then Master said "Dont bother about it. It happens all the time. We see shapes in things because we are used to it. Christians find faces of Christ in the clouds, Hindus find Om or Rama or Hanuman, etc.. where in reality, its just the shapes that they see, not all the shapes there are in that cloud. If we see a cloud, we too can see shapes, horse's head or dog or what ever.. but what we are doing is not seeing all the shapes but picking up certain shapes and connecting them with our memories. The water on your slate looks like "OM" but "OM" is not a letter on a slate. It is the sound from which everything came. Whether you clean your slate or not, as long as you respect it, its fine. Without knowing this, fools (Master used Verri vaallu, as much as I can remember) find shapes in roots and trees and flowers and start worshiping them, forgetting that God is everywhere. If you see a shape that reminds you of OM or anything, just remember what OM really is, and then move on and do your work."

This applies pretty much to these photo incidents. Even our close fellow devotees of hyderabad fell into this trap. They had a photo in which reflections of Baba and others are there as reflections of light in the photos inside that photo. It was after a Dhuni pooja that Sri Rama Chandra Chaitanya performed. The devotees were excited looking at the photos and they came and showed it to me. I said, it doesnt matter and that I dont need proof that Baba came, and that I know He came, and that these are just reflections and I would not even consider this any kind of sign. They were a little surprised to hear it, but they understood and left.

But a surprising thing happened. To one of the devotees (or may be even to Swami himself, I dont remember), Baba came in a dream and said, "you only noticed two reflections.. Master also came with me that day. He is in another reflection thats on the far right." (The first two reflections are of Baba and Hanuman) That devotee got up and told others about it and then a blow up of that photograph was made, and sure enough, in the third photo there was a reflection of Master.

When they told me what happened, I was surprised! I thought it is all nonsense. I was taught not to pay attention. But here, Baba Himself came in a dream and mentioned the authenticity. So, I was surprised. But then, I learnt my lesson.

Usually, there is no need to pay any attention to these. I dont need proof that Baba is in His photo or that He is there in the Satsang. I KNOW FOR SURE that Baba comes to every Satsang, where there is devotion. And I also know that people are fooling themselves by running after these little things, while forgetting the big picture that there is no need for a tree root, or a reflection in a photograph, to appear, to instill devotion or to shower Grace. God can do it otherwise, and is doing otherwise. When the teaching is to see God everywhere, who am I to say that God is in this particular reflection? I dont think it is wise to even heed to such a thought. However, certain times, God Himself chooses to show that He came, as in the case of our Chikkadpalli disciples. He came in a dream and testified it. Only when He does so, I will take it to be authentic. otherwise, I dont bother.

So, all in all, 99 percent of the time, I just dont bother. Inwardly, i think that these disciples should step aside and think for themselves as to who they think Baba is and what they need to see, rather than searching for reflections and assuming shapes for those reflections. I am also sad that these days this has turned into a craze, a cheap trick, to fool people. Many people show these photos and attract innocents to their satsangs, where as people should be attracted not to these photos, but to the Sai Tattwa. Many false Gurus are using this technique these days, since its so easy to create such photos. Give a photo to me, I can create a Baba reflection in minutes, which looks very very genuine, using photoshop.

Jai Sai Master!!

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Re: Is it possible?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2007, 06:42:12 PM »
SAIBABA

I agree with the thoughts of Dwaraka garu and what he is trying to preach us all.

Mamatha garu - Thanks for posting this topic which highlighted an incident that happened in between Bharadwaja Master and Dwarakagaru.

Dwaraka garu - Thank you for sharing the incident. We are lucky enough to know it.

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Re: Is it possible?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2007, 10:26:29 PM »
Jai Sai Master !

Similar to this, there is this extremely bad habit of chain mail and chain smses and chain emails. They threaten you with dire consequences if you dont send it to 10 or more people. Esp during the exam times some problematic element will do so and spoil the whole atmosphere.

Should we beleive in those at all ?

Jai Sai Master !


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Re: Is it possible?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 10:30:43 AM »
OM SAIRAM



Babu garu, thank you very much for sharing the divine incident, I was delighted when I was reading your reply.In saileelamruthamu, we can see baba's presence during the satsangs and bhajans.
babu garu, I want to know about the avadhutas who are alive...  so that we can take their darshan.

"Many false Gurus are using this technique these days"

Master garu said,"ee kalikalam lo tame satguruvulamani cheppie nakili guruvulu tamara tamparaluga perigipotunnaru. sadhakulu alanti vallani nammi ihaparalu rendu chedekante nastikulayina bagundanipistundi, avadhutalanu gurtu pattalante manakento paripakam kavali, daniki mana purva janma samskaram kuda todavvali, "
how can we, people like us (ignorant) can recognise the avadhuta, please explain about this,
and tell us about the existing avadhutas.

OM SAIRAM

« Last Edit: October 11, 2007, 10:33:16 AM by mamatha »

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Re: Is it possible?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 10:48:15 AM »
JAI SAI MASTER..

I AGREE with Mamata garu. Babu garu please guide in this matter.

kiran